Posted Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:51 pm GMT by FOOGE
Hand #70157-177 at Bielefeld (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 22/Jan/03 19:54:42
midgaard is at seat 0 with $143.45.
BigDukeSix is at seat 2 with $109.90 (sitting out).
oicu812 is at seat 4 with $72.70.
Fooge is at seat 5 with $78.10.
higgum is at seat 6 with $100.40.
The Jackal is at seat 7 with $43.90.
graphix14 is at seat 8 with $84.95.
Back Slapper is at seat 9 with $41.85.
The button is at seat 5.
higgum posts the small blind of $.50.
The Jackal posts the big blind of $1.
midgaard: -- --
oicu812: -- --
Fooge: 2h 7c
higgum: -- --
The Jackal: -- --
graphix14: -- --
Back Slapper: -- --
Pre-flop:
graphix14 folds. Back Slapper folds. midgaard calls
$1. oicu812 folds. Fooge raises $2.50. higgum
folds. The Jackal calls $1.50. midgaard calls
$1.50.
Flop (board: 3h 2d 7d):
The Jackal checks. midgaard checks. Fooge bets $5.
The Jackal folds. midgaard calls $5.
Turn (board: 3h 2d 7d 2c):
midgaard checks. Fooge bets $5. midgaard calls $5.
River (board: 3h 2d 7d 2c 5c):
midgaard checks. Fooge bets $65.55. midgaard calls
$65.55.
Showdown:
Fooge shows 2h 7c.
Fooge has 2h 7c 2d 7d 2c: full house, deuces full of sevens.
midgaard mucks cards.
(midgaard has 7h As.)
Hand #70157-177 Summary:
$3 is raked from a pot of $159.10.
Fooge wins $156.10 with full house, deuces full of sevens.
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Posted Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:59 pm GMT by Carson Cashman
I was sitting at the table when this hand was played... It was a thing a beauty. Fooge had been betting big with 2-7 from the button just to steal the blinds.
When that 2-7 showed up on the board, I knew right then that there was trouble coming. The 2 on the turn was the nail in the coffin. I had fooge on this hand on the flop.
Problem is, the other guy just couldn't accept that there was a pre-flop raise with 2-7 (or any 2, I suppose, as he only had a pair of 7's, top kicker)
Hands like this can be devestating, and I may try this kind of play from time to time just for the deceptive value. If your blind steal fails, and you hit something, you're almost certainly going to get a huge pot out of it.
Congrats, Fooge!
Posted Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:33 am GMT by Nytecaster
What I don't get is how he can call a river bet so huge after being pushed the whole way. His hand is beat with any pocket pair of eights or better. His call was an attempt to catch a bluff or something...I wouldn't be thinking I had best here at this point unless that BIG river bet screamed bluff.
Posted Sat Jan 25, 2003 12:45 am GMT by Carson Cashman
Fooge has a way of getting opponents to put him on a bluff. 
You'd have to see him play shorthanded.
Posted Tue Apr 01, 2003 1:23 pm GMT by Money Player
Never played against this guy but sounds like someone I play against regularly. A $10 raise on the flop against my guy in the same situation would result in one of two things. A call or re-raise with 2 pair, either of which would be a check fold on the next round unless a 7 or Ace comes. Majority of time an aggressive play back into this aggressive style will cause a fold. If it doesn't in someone like this opponent then just set him up everytime like this with a check on the turn and raise. You will clean his pockets. Prevents you from getting stuck in this trap 90% of the time. My 2 cents
Posted Tue Apr 01, 2003 4:03 pm GMT by Geno
Raising pre-flop with 2,7o is only gonna work as a steal for like 5% of the time! If the flop delivers nothing what do u do then? U can try and buy your way out of trouble but that only works if people are genuinely prepared to show some respect which I find does not happen online anywhere near like it does in real life. Folding to a raise after a dead flop means you're throwing away money pointlessly. I think this move is all about positioning, lucky timing and hitting some luck on the flop, but then I am a conservative player so I probably wouldn't have the balls to try anyway! 
Posted Fri Jun 06, 2003 1:22 pm GMT by beavis
i have done similar moves before. it's a fun way to throw some spice into the stew. once in a while you will get lucky with a sleeper hand that owns, but i employ it mostly as a deceptive move, i play with the same 4-5 dudes once a week so i gotta keep things fresh to avoid being read like a book. it can be a useful tool if it's not over-used, and worse case scenario for me is i raise, miss a flop and fold. even though i don't win the pot, the homies have no idea what i was betting on.
Posted Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:22 am GMT by JimTheBullet
I think the key point in this debate is the number of callers already in the pot. If I am on the button with junk in a 10 handed game and only one player has called the blind I never attempt a steal. It is just not worth it. If, for example, the big blind is 30 tc then you only stand to steal 75 tournament chips if you make a move with junk.
I find it is a better strategy, both for winning the hand you are playing and for maintaining your table image, if you selectively steal. Raising every time from the blind no matter what the cards is (a) risky and (b) predictable. When people do this all you have to do when they are on the button and you have a hand is to just call the blind and then come over the top of his inevitable raise.
If you only raise when there are, say, 4 callers then the amount of money in the pot is worth stealing and also, if you raise the size of the pot, is a big amount of chips for any of the previous callers to call again. And this is where the raise every hand philosophy will fall down because if you have been raising every hand from the button there is a good chance that one of those previous callers has a strong pocket and so you could get into deep trouble.
So, in summary, I agree that raising on the button is a good strategy but I would only do it if (a) I have a big hand, (b) I haven't been doing it much and there are several callers or (c) nobody has called yet and the amount of the blinds is worth stealing.
Posted Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:40 am GMT by Dave B
Playing crappy hands can pay off.
Case in point...I was on the button last night at a 3/6 table w/ 22. 5 callers-so I call, BB 2 bets, I call again. $36 pot preflop. Flop is 10 6 4 rainbow. One guy best in late position, decent pot odds, so I call along w/ everyone else. Turn is a 2-great, I have a set and probably a winner. Same dude bets, I raise, 4 callers. River is a K. Same dude bets, I call along w/ others. I will a $170 or so pot. NICE! It cost my a total of $9 to see the flop and get my set which I knew was a winner to anything but someone flopping a set.
After this happens this guy that was in the hand goes off an calls me the worst player in the world and rants for 10 minutes. Maybe he was mad that I busted his KK after he flopped a set. I had Q 10 suited and called 3 bets. Flop was A K 10-w/ me having a flush draw. J came on the river and I still hand the nutz after rags on the river.
About 10 hands later I took another $100 plus pot from the same guy w/ K 9 spades by flopping a 9 and 2 clubs and hitting the nutz flush on the river (A s was flopped).
He was not a happy camper. Later he dissed my for raising w/ AA UTG for chasing people off. Well 88 came on the flop-so anyone calling w/ an 8 would have busted me. I still managed a $50 pot w/ 1 caller thinking I had junk.
The entire board quickly turned on him when they could see which one of us had a clue and which one didnt. Very fun...and profitable!
Posted Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:53 am GMT by FatJoe
i dont think 22 is a crappy hand at all.
Posted Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:00 pm GMT by Poker_Vendetta
Low pocket pairs are opinion hands. Some people can raise with them, but personally I would just limp whenever I get them, pending my position is sufficient. 22 is a hard hand to call a raise with, since depending on how the flop comes, even if you opponent JUST has overcards...you can be outplayed depending on what comes. Now of course you can flop a set and have a powerful hand but on average that happens 1/8 times I believe it is...obviously bad odds. 22 is a hand I do not like, others however can play it well.
Posted Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:14 pm GMT by JJK1
I have one concern about this hand, even though it worked out (it was 100% pure luck that it did.) When the blinds are so small and there is no anti structure it is WRONG to make a play from the button with 7 2 to try and steal the blinds. In fact there is absolutly no value in even trying to steal blinds when there is nothing in the pot to gain by it ($1.50). I am not sure I would have even called with 7 2 on the button however a call would have been the more profitable play with that hand because you would be getting better pot odds. And with a hand like that I think you are only going to win, Someone please check me on this however I think it is 11 - 1 that you will flop a good hand with 7 2. The probability may even be less than that. There was a good chance that for such a small amount of money that some one would call and take a flop anyway, as how it unfolded.
At the point when you were called you were a huge underdog provided the caller had what you said he did. Anyway the lesson here is do not throw your money into nothing pots with week hands. In the long run you will get the worst of it. As long as you are getting the worst of it at my table than I guess that would be o.k though 
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