Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:39 am GMT by tame_deuces
This hand is a tricky one for me, and I _think_ the answer is obvious but I'm not sure at all.
We're playing live 4-handed poker, 50$ NL Hold'EM, so nothing major...3 of the 4 are online regulars and I would call them ok/good players.
Hero's image is usually that of an aggressor, I pick up the small pots pretty often and rarely enter the pot unless it is for a raise. I wouldn't say I'm particularily laggy for a 4-handed table, but I rarely try and get cute...I bet for value and I bet when I bluff.
Button is my 'nemesis' in style, he likes to see flops often and try and use my aggression to trap me, he will play draws as stronger hands and try and bluff.
Needless to say it is a damn interesting game to play in.
Anyhows...the hand, details are murky, but this should be a pretty accurate version of it. Stacks are 100~.
Hero is in the SB with: K  3
UTG folds,Button limps, Hero completes, BB checks
Flop: 3  6  9
Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks
Turn: 3 
Hero pots,BB folds, Button min-raises,Hero raises 10 more,Button pushes.
Hero...?
Please feel free to critizise the play on all streets.
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Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:55 am GMT by AHBrownell
Hero calls?
If he has a set you're toast - but otherwise he is probably on a spade draw so you are about 80% to win 
Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:09 am GMT by Muck
The pre-flop call looks fine as long as you think the BB is unlikely to raise.
On the flop you have a very bad bottom pair and are against 2 players, I don’t see a problem with checking it (against a single weak player I might risk a bet).
The turn. I wouldn’t mind knowing how much was in the pot at this point and how much the min raise was, because I’d really like to get an idea of how big his push is in relation to the pot.
From his perspective it’s unlikely you have a 3 and could well be on a steal. He might have been slow playing a high pocket pair. If he had 66 or 99 I doubt he’d push now, since a he has position on the river.
3 x is very unlikely considering what’s visible. Could he make this kind of move with A9 (since he’s now on two pair with a good kicker)? Could he make it with A x?
I think a lot of this comes down to the guy. I know how I would play the possible hands but it maybe very different to how he would.
I’d like to know the pot and bet but my first instinct is to call.
Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:26 am GMT by tame_deuces
Ok, here is an impression of the guy:
He could make the move with two spades, but since the board is paired it is somewhat less likely he would + my re-raise should slow him down a little. Still it is a definitive possibility. He could open-limp some alot of funky hands, so he could have two spades in many forms.
I think he bets the flop with a 9 most of the time. Pattern fits how he would play a set, except for the preflop limp, most of the time he would raises 6s or 9s. Still he loves to to mix it up. He can get married to OPs, and can slowplay them like this.
Information he has available about me probably tells him:
- I don't have two nines here.
- I could have two 6s.
- I could have a 3.
- Most of the time I don't have two spades since I didn't bet the flop.
- I probably don't have a 9 since I didn't bet the flop.
- I could have a 6.
Pot should be 3 BB on the flop.
6 BB with my turn bet, 9 BB with his min-raise and 19-20BBs with my re-raise. So he bets 80BB or so into a 20 pot.
Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:53 am GMT by Muck
Okay that’s a massive raise. Here’s my problem:
If that’s a bet for value he has to have 99 or 66, but that’s stupid because he’s such a massive favourite this can’t be the most profitable play.
Then again maybe he’s taking your aggression as a potential sign that you’ll call. I.e. He’s put you on a close second full.
3 x This would actually make a lot of sense, it’s just that it’s mathematically unlikely.
A x spade. This is a crazy semi-bluff both in size and considering your aggression. I guess if he’s put you on the 3 (which you’re representing) he would still think he has a flush out on top of his fold equity.
How much does he respect the money? Does he see bets in relation to the pot or just as money, if you know what I mean. I see a lot of bets like this at micro limits and they can mean many things.
I think I’m not leaning towards a fold now.
Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:08 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Muck wrote: |
How much does he respect the money? Does he see bets in relation to the pot or just as money, if you know what I mean. I see a lot of bets like this at micro limits and they can mean many things. |
He sees them in relation to the pot definitively, he has a certain flair for overbetting, esp if he senses weakness/strength. He have read the typical books and plays alot more online than I do, and as far as I know he is a winning low stakes player.
Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:12 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Hero should call. My thinking is Nem has A9 and is betting your trying to play TPTK. Nem could also be playing two pair. Either way hero should call, check the river, let him bet and if nothing scarry comes up push man push... .
Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:58 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| UrAteUp wrote: | | check the river, let him bet and if nothing scarry comes up push man push... . |
How is he going to do that? All the money would be in the pot.
| tame_dueces wrote: |
Turn: 3
Hero pots,BB folds, Button min-raises,Hero raises 10 more,Button pushes.
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Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:34 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I called and he flipped 66.
Bad call/good call...I dunno...trips is a dangerous hand. I just decided a homegame of 4-handed NL hold'em is probably not the place for fancy laydowns.
I rather liked his overbet though actually. Nice move.
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