Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:51 am GMT by gumby_ng
Talking about 10-handed Limit
1) What to do with AQ after a raise?
I'm starting to fold this more and more. I typically find you are at
best 50-50 and sometime dominated. Unless I know the player
is the type that will raise with KQ or less, I like to fold in this situation.
2) QQ in the SB, MP raises, button - 1 3 bets. No other callers.
I ended up just calling in this situation. I felt that if a 3 bet didn't drive
out the BB a cap wouldn't either. And it would give me a better read on
the first raiser. If he just called the 3 bet then the 3 bettor was the one
I would have to worry about on a low flop. But if the intial raiser capped
then I would have to put him on AK at worst. Thoughts?
I check-raised the low flop after the 3 bettor bet, intial raiser called 2 and 3 bettor
called. I led out on the turn, intial raiser called, 3 bettor folded. I felt then that
I was ahead. He ended up paying me off with TT on the river.
So do people think it was better to get that information preflop or see how
they would react to my cap and lead out on the flop? Probably ended up with
same amount won.
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Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:06 pm GMT by Phil14312
I think you are thinking along good lines here. Specifically in regards to AQ, its either 3-bet or fold for me. If I'm in LP and the raiser is also in LP, I lean towards 3-betting as the villains open-raising requirements become less and less towards the button. However, against a respected EP raise, I am more likely to fold, unless its suited, which makes the decision a little closer.
With that QQ situation, I think that you played it great just calling pre-flop, which actually gives you more information about the original raisers hand, i.e. whether he caps or just calls. QQ can be a pretty difficult hand to play out of position against a 3-bettor preflop.
Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:25 pm GMT by tame_deuces
One problem is that tight players usually have a _very_ narrow range of hands they cold-call 3 bets with though, so its somewhat of a giveaway for someone paying attention.
Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:30 pm GMT by gumby_ng
But wouldn't the range be even narrower for a tight player that
caps from the SB? I'd be thinking AK at least.
That's assuming these are players that even notice my play.
Hopefully they are thinking that I'm thinking, "in for half a bet,
I need to put in 2 1/2 more no matter what" 
Posted Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:12 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| gumby_ng wrote: | But wouldn't the range be even narrower for a tight player that
caps from the SB? I'd be thinking AK at least.
That's assuming these are players that even notice my play.
Hopefully they are thinking that I'm thinking, "in for half a bet,
I need to put in 2 1/2 more no matter what" |
Good point. I can only answer 'I don't know'.
Posted Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:07 pm GMT by snoogins47
Both situations I think that in general, the aggressive side of life is often the better one...
Against a run of the mill preflop open raise from MP and beyond, AQ performs quite favorably. Obviously, this becomes more and more pronounced as the player gets more and more aggressive/loose, but... for instance, I plugged in a random hand range that is probably similar to what I might open raise in a shorter handed game from somewhere in MP/LP would be, and AQ is almost a 2 to 1 favorite... granted, this isn't shorthanded we're talking about (and I'm a donkey)... but open raising standards in a full game after 4 people fold are similar to open-raising standards shorthanded, and 2 to 1 is absolutely massive. Not to mention, you've got position on the PFR. I agree that the primary consideration is what sort of raising standards the raiser in question has, and how many players are acting behind you, so it's nearly impossible to actually come up with a conclusive answer here.
The QQ hand... Well, information is nice, but what price does it come at? Barring two absolute super rocks, you have a significant edge 3-handed, and you have an edge on the 3-bettor heads up. That's reason enough to make the raise... also, the rareish occasions when you actually drive the BB out are quite tasty given the pot size, and quite tasty because in this pot, being OOP and heads up leaves you MUCH less of a chance of making a significant post flop mistake as being 3-handed would. I think this pretty much needs to be capped.
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