Posted Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:01 pm GMT by weirdofreek
I have heard players making reference to straddling and live straddle. What are these?
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Posted Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:12 pm GMT by Johny
Straddling is used in NL cash games, where before the cards are delt the player UTG puts in a blind bet of 2xbb (I've only seen this amount, you can raise more if you want). By doing this, UTG is now last to act pre-flop and has built a bigger pot.
Posted Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:30 pm GMT by Phil14312
Its also used in limit, not just NL cash games.
Posted Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:48 pm GMT by conolly
personally, i think its dumb.
Posted Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:30 pm GMT by tame_deuces
It's an ok move to generate some action on a table. Atleast if it's a table where you would like some action to be generated. Plus it can be really fun. Can't put a price on fun.
Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:37 am GMT by kingetje
so raising in the dark is called "straddling"... didnt know that.
Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:24 pm GMT by flafishy
No, raising in the dark is different than straddling.
When UTG straddles, he gets to act last preflop and has the option of raising his own straddle, even if no one has raised before him.
Raising in the dark is a raise.
Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:53 pm GMT by kingetje
I see
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:26 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | UTG puts in a blind bet of 2xbb (I've only seen this amount, you can raise more if you want). |
Really? I thought the straddle could only be double the BB. Then, if next player wished, they can re-straddle. I've seen straddles go 3-5 places from BB, but I've never seen more than 2XBB used for the original straddle bet.
It does help to give you position preflop and builds a pot. It annoys me to no end sometimes (especially in drunken Saturday night games) when we're playing $.50/1 but it costs $6-10 to "limp" preflop in every hand because every drunk person at the table has straddled.
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:49 pm GMT by Dave B
Some places allow you to straddle in NL from any position. So in 1/2, you can put $10 out on the button and all have to call that to play.
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:50 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Wow. I never knew that. I've never seen it done in a casino and it's always originated from UTG in the home games I play. Thanks, Dave and Johny. You guys are a wealth of information.
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:03 pm GMT by Johny
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | Quote: | | UTG puts in a blind bet of 2xbb (I've only seen this amount, you can raise more if you want). |
Really? I thought the straddle could only be double the BB. Then, if next player wished, they can re-straddle. I've seen straddles go 3-5 places from BB, but I've never seen more than 2XBB used for the original straddle bet. |
I'm not exactly sure if you can make a raise bigger than 2xbb for it to still count as a straddle, I'd have to find out to make sure.
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:29 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
you have to straddle in the dark, right? That's how everyone I know does it.
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:30 pm GMT by snoogins47
| JohnnyCache wrote: | | you have to straddle in the dark, right? That's how everyone I know does it. |
If you could look at your cards before hand, it'd just be like, the uber raise, for anybody who knew about it.
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:10 pm GMT by JonnyBoy
| conolly wrote: | | personally, i think its dumb. |
I’ll agree, straddleing is a bad bet. But with that said there are certain times you can use it to your advantage. Here is an example where I have used it with some success.
6/12 limit live game with several loose callers. Buy in for 200 and up and down all session, getting ready to leave…60 left UTG – straddle. The idea here is I want to get all of my chips in play, double/triple/quadruple up and go home or bust out. Four callers, raise on the option. Now the trick at this point is you have purposely not taken a look at your cards. You have left them laying where ever the dealer happened to toss them. Now the 4 callers are looking at you funny and will almost always call. Flop. Don’t matter. Bet out or raise/raise blind. Don’t look at your cards. ALL BALLS HERE. By the time the river hit, hopefully you have all of you 60 chips in play with 3-4 callers and by the glory of the poker gods you happen to have the nuts.
I know, that’s not poker that’s gambling. But that is the idea behind the straddle. So if you use it, use it right! Bust out or Cash out baby!
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:53 pm GMT by kainARGH
| JonnyBoy wrote: | | I know, that’s not poker that’s gambling. But that is the idea behind the straddle. So if you use it, use it right! Bust out or Cash out baby! |
Thats just good times right there , and i see no better way to end an up and down session 
My personal use of the strattle , create action. If it happens to be an anoyingly tight table , strattleing often may loosen it up , if you so desire. Or if your cards have gone cold for quite some time , and you dont find yourself playing many hands , strattle can wake you up , throw you into some action.
Posted Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:57 am GMT by snoogins47
That's definitely the reason to do it. I recall a hand.. at a $4/$8 table, where it was $16 to go before the cards were dealt. One of my favorite hands of poker, ever.
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