Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:27 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
***** Hand History for Game 1671692198 *****
$200 NL Hold'em (6 Max) - Sunday, March 19, 01:39:59 PST 2006
Table Table 36627 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Hero ( $206.50 )
Seat 2: Player 2 ( $189.25 )
Seat 3: Player 3 ( $86.45 )
Seat 4: Villain ( $296.60 )
Seat 5: Player 5 ( $92.45 )
Seat 6: Player 6 ( $219.45 )
Player 5 posts small blind $1.
Player 6 posts big blind $2.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero  
Hero raises $8.
Player 2 folds.
Player 3 folds.
Villain raises $20.
Player 5 folds.
Player 6 folds.
Hero calls $12.
** Dealing Flop **   
Hero bets $15.
Villain raises $45.
Hero calls $30.
** Dealing Turn ** 
Hero checks.
Villain bets $20.
Hero?
Villain was a tricky opponent who would usually slowplay a big hand like a flush. My suspicion was that he maybe had a high pair like KK or even QQ and was trying to figure out where he was at. My guess is he was concerned that he might have been beat on the flop, because that was a rather awkward and small bet on the turn, but Villain was betting at a lot of pots, hoping to take them down.
What should Hero do on the turn? Could I have played it differently earlier? Should I have re-raised the flop (I was planning to call and then bet if no spade fell, but the turn might have made his hand or slowed him down)?
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Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:07 pm GMT by Jauron
I think I would be inclined to get it all in right there. He has to have 2 spades to have you beat, if he slow plays his big hands I think you are looking at KK with a spade, giving him an open ended on the flop with a flush draw to boot. If he does have that hand he made his straight on turn, but it's no good.
Heads up against one person, your usually ahead here. I don't think I put another dime in this pot without putting it all in now. Course you can fold but I think your ahead.
Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:17 pm GMT by kingetje
i think he has the flush
Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:58 pm GMT by Phil14312
The only flush I that I think he could have is the royal, he re-raised you before the flop. I say he has KK or QQ. Put it all in because I think you might get a call, and you can't call a big bet on the river if another spade comes or the board pairs.
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:32 am GMT by Skribbles
I'd think you are ahead here or at least tied. The only hand you should be worried about is a royal.
Hand range: AKs, AA, KK, QQ or AQ w/ the flush draw.
His turn bet is extremely weak which makes me think he has AA or KK and no flush draw.
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:41 am GMT by UrAteUp
I am either going broke on this hand or collecting a decent pot...but either way I am taking the descsion making off of myself and putting it onto villian by moving all of my chips into this pot after that flop and the weak bet by villian on the turn.
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:53 am GMT by Dave B
I am guessing he has AK w/ one spade.
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:37 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Ok guys, I'll come clean. I'm the villain here. I wanted to see if you guys thought the same way as the player I was up against... here's the rest of the HH
TurnProphet bets $20.
"Hero" raises $121.50 and is all-in.
TurnProphet calls $101.50.
** Dealing River ** 
"Hero" shows a straight, ace high.
TurnProphet shows   a royal flush.
TurnProphet wins $413 from the main pot with a royal flush.
Some people on the table were berating the guy for going all-in with a straight with three spades on the board, but he claimed he thought I had a big pair, and I told him I didn't think I could get away from the hand if I was him either.
Now that you know what that filthy villain had, what do you guys think of my play?
On short-handed tables, I like to re-raise with big aces in position. When the flop came down, my thought was this: he must have hit something he liked to bet. If I wait and slowplay, he will know I have a flush (a pretty good flush  ) and I won't get paid off. If I raise now and he folds, there was no action to be had anyway, except maybe another small bet on the turn. I figured that if I raised though, I could try to represent AA or KK with a spade, or maybe top set, and hope that he got something he liked on that flop. He was just unlucky that he had to pick up AK.
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:39 pm GMT by TxShadow
I don't put him on the flush here. I'd push.
I know pretty much everyone else has stated it already, but:
Not a whole lot he would have raised you so much preflop with other than a big pocket pair or possibly AK (hopefully not both of spades).
I'm interested in seeing the results.
*EDIT* - I started posting before your response Diamond, you sneaky little bastard.
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:43 pm GMT by TxShadow
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | Ok guys, I'll come clean. I'm the villain here. I wanted to see if you guys thought the same way as the player I was up against... here's the rest of the HH
TurnProphet bets $20.
"Hero" raises $121.50 and is all-in.
TurnProphet calls $101.50
** Dealing River **
"Hero" shows a straight, ace high
TurnProphet shows a royal rlush
TurnProphet wins $413 from the main pot with a royal flush.
Some people on the table were berating the guy for going all-in with a straight with three spades on the board, but he claimed he thought I had a big pair, and I told him I didn't think I could get away from the hand if I was him either.
Now that you know what that filthy villain had, what do you guys think of my play?
On short-handed tables, I like to re-raise with big aces in position. When the flop came down, my thought was this: he must have hit something he liked to bet. If I wait and slowplay, he will know I have a flush (a pretty good flush ) and I won't get paid off. If I raise now and he folds, there was no action to be had anyway, except maybe another small bet on the turn. I figured that if I raised though, I could try to represent AA or KK with a spade, or maybe top set, and hope that he got something he liked on that flop. He was just unlucky that he had to pick up AK. |
Wow! Very nicely thought out and played. I think if I flopped a royal, my brain would stop working and I would automatically try to slowplay it. I gotta hand it to you, nicely done 8)
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:18 am GMT by Phil14312
I like the fast-play, b/c anothe spade kills all your action. Even the board pairing (in this case) probably kills your action.
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:16 pm GMT by 1988 TR
Funny - This hand couldn't be more similar!
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t14964/flopped-broadway-but?start=0
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:00 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I was just thinking about that 1988 TR!
I wonder if subconsciously reading that old post affected the way I played the hand... Does this mean I'm the next Perry Friedman?
Posted Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:39 am GMT by nknowles
well if hes a really tricky player, this means he could ne 2 cards. Would he reraise an UTG with something like 89 spades or something. I like the call before the flop with the AK u dont wanna go all in and run into a big pair. Though u r out of position with it, its good flat call especially in the cash game. I think u should have bet more on the flop to get more information espcailly with those 3 spades. He could have raised u on the flop cause only bet like 15 bucks into a 40 dollar pot. I think clearly though in order to call his raise u had to have something, especially out of position against an aggressive player. Ur BIG MISTAKE is checking the turn, y did u call the flop then if ur going to check, u have the nut straight. If u think he has the flush then fold on the flop. But u call/check the turn is not a good play. Id say he has set of QQ or something. I would have bet a good feeler bet 70 bucks on the turn, showing him ur not bluffing, espcially with the 4 straight and the flush draw on the board. But since u checked he would have bet clearly since he is an aggressive player. The bet on the turn did seem a little wierd, i mean he raies u on the flop a healthy amount, i mean i think u gotta raise here, hes showing weakness, just raise to find where u r, i would not want to get pot committed if i could avoid it. So id raise to about 50, just to see. If he goes all in hes got the flush for sure.
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