Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:56 am GMT by kingetje
playing a NL cash game yesterday with my brother and 4 friends.. 6 handed. €10 max. buy-in. blinds €.10/.20
couple of hours into it, (i got a healthy stack, no rebuy done.. lost one big pot with my 10-10 overpair when someone called the preflop raise with 7-9 and flopped 2 pair... then doubled up once when i catched AA and raised it and someone else put me all-in... thank you!!)
so i am in the blind and catch Ad-Kc. everybody limps... i raise €1 making it €1.20..... 3 callers 
flop: 10-J-Q all spades..... arrgghhh.. at this point i was thinking damn why the board gotta be all spades? but at the same time i thought there mightve been a chance that noone was even holding 2 spades right?... i mean its possible. i also wanted to eliminate any draws with people holding one spade.. so i am first to act and i bet €5 into the €4.80 pot with my broadway. guy after me moves all in for 4 more, next guy folds, other guy re-raises all-in for my entire stack and more. so i layed my broadway down of course. and here came the showdown:
guy after me had 6-7s, flopped a flush, and the other guy held A-2s.... for the nut flush. i was pretty dissapointed that both of them had called such a huge raise of mine pre-flop with this crap... but also a bit pissed off that i bet 5 into the pot... if noone would have any spade i think they would have folded had i bet like 2 or 3 as well. so i could have minimalized my losses.
the hand after this one i catched pocket 10s, guy in front of me raises 80, i move all-in cause i was steaming a bit after that beautiful but horrible flop and my too big a bet on it.... so the dude calls and shows A-Q and my pair held up.. very nice
but i would like to hear some thoughts on the bet i made.... what are your opinions on it? what could/should i have done different etc.
discuss..
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Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:57 pm GMT by chadderton
| Quote: | | guy after me had 6-7s, flopped a flush, and the other guy held A-2s.... for the nut flush. i was pretty dissapointed that both of them had called such a huge raise of mine pre-flop with this crap... but also a bit pissed off that i bet 5 into the pot... |
Obviously your raise was not big enough. Clearly the other two did not have premium hands preflop, but you always have to take into account how your opponents will individually react on preflop raises. In this case the €1 raise wasn't big enough to push them out of the hand. Try to see the positives, you gained information on this one: Next time you better raise a larger amount or fold AK right away! 
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:20 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Your bet on the flop screamed "I don't have the nut flush!!" and was what would've seemed a continuation bet from your preflop raise. Most players would've checked the flop if they flopped the nuts, especially in EP. I think a check-raise may have been more effective. With two players pushing behind you, you'd have easily been able to lay down your straight and not have invested more money on a hand where you were drawing dead.
Some people will call just about any preflop raise with any two suited cards, especially suited connectors. The fact that it was 6-handed may have also prompted their call. You could've possibly raised more preflop, but if they're willing to call a 5xBB raise with those hands, they may have called more.
That's crappy to flop the nut straight but the nut flush has you dominated. Tough hand.
Posted Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:39 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| kingetje wrote: | | guy after me had 6-7s, flopped a flush, and the other guy held A-2s.... for the nut flush. i was pretty dissapointed that both of them had called such a huge raise of mine pre-flop with this crap... but also a bit pissed off that i bet 5 into the pot... |
| chadderton wrote: |
Obviously your raise was not big enough. Clearly the other two did not have premium hands preflop, but you always have to take into account how your opponents will individually react on preflop raises. In this case the €1 raise wasn't big enough to push them out of the hand. Try to see the positives, you gained information on this one: Next time you better raise a larger amount or fold AK right away! |
I hope the last thing there is sarcasm.
You didn't specify blind size Kinge, or stacksize, or maybe you did but not straight out. This actually makes meaningful commenary on your hands impossible. But I can say this:
You raised with a strong hand. You got called by a hand you had hugely dominated (A2) and a hand that is a dog to your hand (65).
Stop saying crap about 'pushing people out of the hand' as if it is something positive. What is it you want? The blinds? Only being called or raised by better hands or coinflip hands?
See a flop. Realizing that your hand _won't_ win them all. Recognize when to put money in, how to put money and when not to put money in.
Also, you got out of the way cheaply because your opponents pretty much gave their hands away on the flop. So you get them to put their money in while they are dominated, and then you easily get out of the hand when you are crushed.
Sounds like a dream game to me.
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:56 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
So you'd have called, them having been trapped by your third best hand? :D
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:01 pm GMT by Geno
I'd have called like an idiot and then rebought 
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:37 pm GMT by kingetje
Sorry, I edited the blinds in the original post for clarity.
oh, and Beerwench, i play with these same guys multiple times a week and they know damn well that them calling a 6XBB bet preflop with those hands was a bit odd... the biggest pre-flop bet in these CASH games when we play em are €1, or maybe €1.20 like i did.... other than that no bigger raises pre-flop really occur UNLESS they are re-raises. (!)
i guess what prompted the calls were: the dude with 6-7 was probably a bit on tilt as he was on his second re-buy, and the guy with A-2 had a MONSTER stack, like 6 times the stack he had begun with (so around €60). plus, it was very late (or should i say early in the morning), and about 6-7 hours into the session which might have led to their more loose calls....
i hope that clears things up a bit
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:22 pm GMT by snoogins47
| tame_deuces wrote: |
Stop saying crap about 'pushing people out of the hand' as if it is something positive. What is it you want? The blinds? Only being called or raised by better hands or coinflip hands? |
Didn't you get the memo? Modern "Poker strategy" is to wait until you have a hand with showdown value, and then do everything in your power to avoid showing it down.
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