Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:08 pm GMT by viking30
Second hand in an STG torunament..No reads on the others..What to do? And comments that I should have folded before the flop is not needed or wanted! 
* Game ID 726808024 starting - 2006-03-19 22:03:55
** Barbatus Hold 'em (20.00|40.00 No Limit - STT) Real Money
- patsy44 sitting in seat 1 with $1390.00
- Paul101 sitting in seat 2 with $1000.00
- Si1518 sitting in seat 3 with $1000.00
- Skipper234 sitting in seat 4 with $990.00 Dealer
- DazCerwin sitting in seat 5 with $970.00
- viking30 sitting in seat 6 with $980.00
- Cueyred sitting in seat 7 with $820.00
- Bankar14 sitting in seat 8 with $1000.00
- bobbee-t sitting in seat 9 with $820.00
- iomman sitting in seat 10 with $1000.00
DazCerwin posted the small blind - $10.00
viking30 posted the big blind - $20.00
** Dealing card to viking30: 3 of Hearts, 5 of Hearts
Cueyred called - $20.00
Bankar14 folded
bobbee-t raised - $40.00
iomman called - $40.00
patsy44 called - $40.00
Paul101 called - $40.00
Si1518 folded
Skipper234 called - $40.00
DazCerwin folded
viking30 called - $40.00
Cueyred called - $40.00
** Dealing the flop: 7 of Clubs, 6 of Clubs, 4 of Hearts
viking30 bet - $160.00
Cueyred folded
bobbee-t raised - $320.00
iomman folded
patsy44 went all-in - $1350.00
Paul101 went all-in - $960.00
Skipper234 folded
viking30??
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Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:18 pm GMT by Johny
Call. All you're worried about is 85, which isn't very likely.
Are you really going to fold this?
Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:50 pm GMT by viking30
| Johny4444 wrote: | Call. All you're worried about is 85, which isn't very likely.
Are you really going to fold this? |
Not 8-5. I am confident that I have the best hand at this point.But with 3 all-inn against, I figure someone has hit a set , someone is probably drawing to a flush and someone might be drwaing to a higher straight. Of course all kinds of logic says I really should call here, but my gut feeling is that Im gonne be outrawn.
Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:16 pm GMT by Johny
| viking30 wrote: | | Johny4444 wrote: | Call. All you're worried about is 85, which isn't very likely.
Are you really going to fold this? |
Not 8-5. I am confident that I have the best hand at this point.But with 3 all-inn against, I figure someone has hit a set , someone is probably drawing to a flush and someone might be drwaing to a higher straight. Of course all kinds of logic says I really should call here, but my gut feeling is that Im gonne be outrawn. |
Folding the nuts or second-nuts for fear of being outdrawn isn't a good strategy. Don't ajust your play to avoid getting outdrawn on, it's part of the game.
I call every single time and have no regrets win or lose.
Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:24 pm GMT by viking30
I agree with you and I did call:
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** Game ID 726808024 starting - 2006-03-19 22:03:55
** Barbatus Hold 'em (20.00|40.00 No Limit - STT) Real Money
- patsy44 sitting in seat 1 with $1390.00
- Paul101 sitting in seat 2 with $1000.00
- Si1518 sitting in seat 3 with $1000.00
- Skipper234 sitting in seat 4 with $990.00 Dealer
- DazCerwin sitting in seat 5 with $970.00
- viking30 sitting in seat 6 with $980.00
- Cueyred sitting in seat 7 with $820.00
- Bankar14 sitting in seat 8 with $1000.00
- bobbee-t sitting in seat 9 with $820.00
- iomman sitting in seat 10 with $1000.00
DazCerwin posted the small blind - $10.00
viking30 posted the big blind - $20.00
** Dealing card to viking30: 3 of Hearts, 5 of Hearts
Cueyred called - $20.00
Bankar14 folded
bobbee-t raised - $40.00
iomman called - $40.00
patsy44 called - $40.00
Paul101 called - $40.00
Si1518 folded
Skipper234 called - $40.00
DazCerwin folded
viking30 called - $40.00
Cueyred called - $40.00
** Dealing the flop: 7 of Clubs, 6 of Clubs, 4 of Hearts
viking30 bet - $160.00
Cueyred folded
bobbee-t raised - $320.00
iomman folded
patsy44 went all-in - $1350.00
Paul101 went all-in - $960.00
Skipper234 folded
viking30 went all-in - $800.00
bobbee-t went all-in - $460.00
patsy44 shows: 6 of Hearts, 6 of Spades
Paul101 shows: Jack of Diamonds, Jack of Hearts
bobbee-t shows: 5 of Spades, 5 of Clubs
** Dealing the turn: 4 of Spades
** Dealing the river: 3 of Clubs
patsy44 wins $3410.00 from the main pot
patsy44 wins $3950.00 from side pot 1
End of game 726808024
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And my gut feeling was right
Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:27 pm GMT by Johny
You put your money in with the best hand, you can't do any better than that.
Now please don't be results oriented, don't fold the best hand! 
Posted Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:40 pm GMT by snoogins47
You are never (well, except for maybe in a horribly rare circumstance I can't think of) required to be an odd-on favorite to win a hand in order to play on profitably.
"but my gut feeling is that Im gonne be outrawn."
Interestingly, there ARE some very oddball situations fourhanded where you' actually not an odds-on favorite in the hand with 35 here. Needless to say, those aren't common, and though I haven't done the math, you're probably getting good enough odds anyway.
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