Couple hands from last night.... |
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Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:14 pm GMT by Skribbles
Edited: Both are full ring (10)
NL200 @ Party
Hero: $328
Villian: $371
Hero is dealt KK in LP.
2 limpers, Hero raises to $8, BB (Villian) and both limpers call.
Pot: $33
Flop: T  2  5 
Limpers check, Hero bets $25, Villian raises to $50, limpers fold, Hero calls
Pot: $133
Turn: A 
Villian leads for $50
Hero ????
I was probably looking like a maniac at this point. I had hit a nice run of cards and had taken down 2 of the last 5 pots with big bets and not shown my hand. I called his check/raise on the flop with the intentions of re-raising him on the turn... then the ace hit.
NL200 @ Party
Hero: $220
Villian: $193
Villian limps from MP and Hero on the button raises to $7 w/ AJo blinds fold, villian calls.
Pot: $16
Flop: A 5 3
Villian checks, Hero bets $10, Villian raises to $30, hero calls.
Pot: $75~
Turn: 7
Villian leads for $35
Hero ???
I'm sure that the villian doesn't have AK or AQ. Anything else though is wide open. The guy was just short of being a maniac and had shown down some odd hands, losing them all. He had rebought twice since I was at the table.
Both hands played out exactly the same until the turn. Both times I was the aggresor pre-flop and both times I got check/raised on the flop and lead into on the turn.
How have they been played so far and what is the move facing the turn bets?
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Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:45 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Hand 1) I like the preflop raise. I like how you played it all the way to the turn. Villian is either stupid or really trying to mess with you. At first it looks like he is trying to represent a possible set. Then it looks as if he is trying to represent an A. I am interested in how this one played out. That A on the board seems pretty scarry but if you got a decent read on this guy then you might still be inclined to push and see if he lays it down.
I myself would probably have pushed post flop.
Hand 2) Again this guy's wild BS betting is terrible. I can see why it would make a person leary. Personally I say push back and if he does have a hand then I am paying his stupid a$$ off right away if I lose.
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:55 pm GMT by fiezk
First hand: pot is $133, villain bets $50. Hard to tell without more info, but to me this looks like the ace scared him. I think you're still ahead. KT, JJ, QQ, QT are probable hands depending on how many where at the table. I'd probably just call though, and see if he shows any strength/what card falls on the river. I wouldn't raise the turn because it's likely that a hand that has you beat will call, and a hand you can beat will fold - there's just very little value in it.
Second hand is tougher. The flop is Ace -rag -rag, rb, and villain shows strength against the preflop aggressor. Either he's just a complete maniac who's messing with you, or he has you beat. What hands would make him confident with that flop and turn? It's a complete judgement call whether to call him down or dump it on the turn.
Posted Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:31 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
The problem I have with both hands is the smooth call on the flop. I think it's time to decide where you stand in the hand there rather than give him a chance to catch a card if he's behind. By calling, you give the villain control of the hand. Facing a big pot, I say call it quits or try to win it now, but don't get yourself trapped like you did in hand 1.
Posted Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:22 pm GMT by howzit
hand 1: if this were me, that ace means nothing to me. is he really c/r with AT? "normally" that is already a made hand on the flop so you either got yourself a flopped two pair/set or v. v. v. poorly played underpair. you are way ahead and way behind and I'd like to know how tricky BB is before putting money into the pot. this to me is a fold if BB's timing is pretty smooth. still a fold though given stack sizes and BB's constant betting. underbetting the turn is a scary move IMO.
hand 2: i call given your description of opponent.
in both cases, the stack-size is roughly pot size so if you call the turn, you should be prepared for a river pot bet.
Posted Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:58 pm GMT by Skribbles
Thanx to everyone for the comments.
In both hands I re-raised the turn.
Hand 1, as Howzit said, the ace would only help him if he was playing AT or being a true donk and check/raising with AK. I popped it to $125 leaving myself $150~, if he pushed, I would have tossed it away. Instead, he called me then checked the river, which was a blank, to me.
Hand 2, I re-raised him to $80 because I really didn't believe that he had me beat. Again, I was called. River was a blank and it was checked to me.
Would anyone push the river when checked to? In either case, my stack size was less than the pot so my only bet would have been all-in. So take the easy way out and check or bet it?
Posted Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:35 pm GMT by 1988 TR
I don't feel like either hand is strong enough to bet the river - I would be content in taking down the current pot.
Posted Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:49 pm GMT by Orcy
I think I woulda have pushed on the 1st hand and just checked back on the second but take this comment for what its worth wich is not much cause im still very new to the poker game.
I saw a maniac similar to this last night for the 1st time(as crazy as this one anyway). The guy was in EVERY pot calling any bet preflop even after limping he would call 5-6x reraise. Would almost always bet or reraise you if you bet on the flop. The guy had like 60$ when i got there (10c/25c) but ppl figured him quick enough and me and some other guy made him go back to 0 and he rebough 3-4 time for 10$ and lost em everytime. It was annoying tho when I raised preflop and missed, I was afraid to make continuation bet cause he was going top reraise them for sure so I waited until I floped a couple of good hand and he paid me well.
Posted Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:50 pm GMT by Orcy
Btw i wanna know what happened in yours 2 hand so post gogogogo :D
Posted Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:40 pm GMT by Skribbles
I took the safe way out and checked both down.
Hand 1: Villian turned over JJ. I'm pretty sure that his poor play was due to the previous few hands where it may have looked like I was bullying and bluffing with very big bets.
Hand 2: Villian was a complete donk. He flipped over 76s. He check/raised the flop with only a gutshot and a backdoor flush draw. His turn bet was very weak, $35 into a $80 pot. To me a check/raise on the flop show be followed by a pot sized bet, no? I really wanted to push the river on this one but was worried about an ugly 2 pair.
Posted Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:02 am GMT by nknowles
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | The problem I have with both hands is the smooth call on the flop. I think it's time to decide where you stand in the hand there rather than give him a chance to catch a card if he's behind. By calling, you give the villain control of the hand. Facing a big pot, I say call it quits or try to win it now, but don't get yourself trapped like you did in hand 1. |
couldnt have said it better!
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