The poker gods just didn't want me to win... |
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Posted Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:43 pm GMT by cayouche
You bring your "A" game to a live tournament, you have a good feeling about the others, you rarely do mistakes, if any... but yet, you feel like luck is dragging you down...
Buy-in: $50
# entrants: 108
Starting stack: 10,000
Paid positions: 14
I had good cards early stage. I raised a few hands, I wanted to set the pace. I go up to 13,000-14,000, which was nice. I pick up KK early position, I raise, got reraised, I reraise, etc. finally we go all-in, he flips AKs. Flop brings AKx, just to keep things alive, but my kings hold up. Then I pick up a few pots, then at the break, I have 32,500, and I'm chip leader of the tournament (maybe close 2nd). About 70 players left.
About 5-6 hands in, after the break, I pick up QQ middle position. Blinds are 300-600, I raise to 2K, the guy next to me pushes-in with 7,200 more. I think a while, picked up a tell that he wasn't that strong, so I call. He flips AQo, and he catches an A on the turn. (Was 70% favorite preflop) I'm down to 22K, bah, I can live with it.
Few hands later, 99 late position, blinds 500-1K, a guy raises to 3K, one caller, I call. Flop brings a 9, guy goes all-in and I take him out. Back to 30K something. The only mistake I remember, is when the blinds were 1K-2K, a guy in the cut-off pushes his low stack in (about 6,5K), I called with KQ, he had AT which held... Down to 21-22K again. It went up and down like that a few times, then I had a little streak of bad cards... After second break, I have 16K, 21 players left, 14 paid. I will look to make a move after the break.
After the break, again, a few hands in, I have JJ middle position, the blinds were now 1400-2800. I put 6K in, all fold to one guy who thinks... then pushes in for 7K more. It's an automatic call in my position (stack size, etc) but still, his hesitation told me he wasn't that strong. He flips AJo, so you know the story, he catches an ace. Again, about 70% chance of winning. This crippled me. I have 4100 left. Couldn't make a move until the BB. All fold to the small blind who puts me all-in. I have no other choice but to call, I have 44, he has A8... ... you guessed it, he catches his ace.
I'm out 20th.
I'm not mad at anyone. I can't. I put my chips in when I had the best hand. Sometimes you bring your "A" game, but lady luck just drags you down...
Tonight, the poker gods just didn't want me to win...
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Posted Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:12 pm GMT by JewishPete
That's rough man Im sorry.
Sounds like you definately played well, and from what it seems, if your strong cards held up you probably would have atleast made the final table.
I used to be primarily a live game player and I know where you're coming from. It's very frustrating to put the time in, and not have anything to show for it.
Posted Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:24 pm GMT by Icec0o1
One tournament means nothing...I wouldn't even begin to call that bad luck. Try playing ring games and losing 20 buyins consecutively because of insane beats. Man am I glad that streak ended...
Don't even let that tourney get to you even a little. In the grand sceme of things it means nothing.
Posted Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:36 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Man, cayouche, it sounds like you played well. Sometimes the cards just won't cooperate. Don't let it get you down. Keep playing your "A" game and the cards will come around for you, hopefully soon. We've all been on the ass-end of lady luck's wand. Keep your head up.
Posted Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:47 pm GMT by cayouche
Yeah, that post wasn't for complaining. I was in peace, since I knew I played well.
Even when you have skills, you have the patience, it means nothing when you don't have luck.
Can't wait for April 30th, for part 4 of these tournaments (11 total).
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:54 am GMT by BeerWench13
| cayouche wrote: | | Yeah, that post wasn't for complaining. |
Yeah, it didn't seem to be a "woe is me" post, and I, personally, didn't take it as a complaint.
| cayouche wrote: | | Even when you have skills, you have the patience, it means nothing when you don't have luck. |
Sometimes. It's a shame how true this statement can be.
| cayouche wrote: | | Can't wait for April 30th, for part 4 of these tournaments |
Good luck. Keep us posted.
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:21 am GMT by supafrey
| BeerWench13 wrote: |
| cayouche wrote: | | Even when you have skills, you have the patience, it means nothing when you don't have luck. |
Sometimes. It's a shame how true this statement can be. |
It's true much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much less than most THPers would have one believe.
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:26 am GMT by BeerWench13
| supafrey wrote: | | It's true much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much less than most THPers would have one believe. |
Quoted for truth and to ask how the hell you would know, you luckbox? 
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:30 am GMT by supafrey
Because I'm one of the few people here that doesn't delude themselves into thinking they can go on "cold streaks" or have "bad luck"?
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:35 am GMT by BeerWench13
| supafrey wrote: | | Because I'm one of the few people here that doesn't delude themselves into thinking they can go on "cold streaks" or have "bad luck"? |
Just because you've never had an orgasm doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The same is true for cold streaks.
I'm keeping this in my saved files for future reference. Your day will come, my friend.
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:41 am GMT by supafrey
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | supafrey wrote: | | Because I'm one of the few people here that doesn't delude themselves into thinking they can go on "cold streaks" or have "bad luck"? |
Just because you've never had an orgasm doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The same is true for cold streaks.
I'm keeping this in my saved files for future reference. Your day will come, my friend. |
I don't equate losing a bunch of 70/30s with a "cold streak". You're gonna have to wait a very, very long time. I mean.. I've been a consistant loser for a month or three, but every time a good portion of the fault was my own. It's alot more pleasant to blame significant cash losses on that final 80/20 that didn't come up for you than it is to reexamine the 41720471740 times you played hands semi-optimally just before.
P.S. I'm not a luckbox, I just play one on tv.
P.P.S. What's an orgasm feel like?
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:51 am GMT by BeerWench13
| supafrey wrote: | | I don't equate losing a bunch of 70/30s with a "cold streak". You're gonna have to wait a very, very long time. I mean.. I've been a consistant loser for a month or three, but every time a good portion of the fault was my own. It's alot more pleasant to blame significant cash losses on that final 80/20 that didn't come up for you than it is to reexamine the 41720471740 times you played hands semi-optimally just before. |
I agree with you to some extent. However, there are times when you're playing very well, but can't hit a hand to save your life. This is what I equate with a "cold streak". 80% of the losses I have sustained have been due to my own ineptitude. This is probably true of most players. However, you don't remember those hands when you knew you should've raised and didn't, or vice versa. You remember those hands where you got your money in with the best of it and it didn't hold. It's "selective memory", much like not remembering that you have a dentist appointment because you really hate going to the dentist.
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:56 am GMT by supafrey
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | supafrey wrote: | | I don't equate losing a bunch of 70/30s with a "cold streak". You're gonna have to wait a very, very long time. I mean.. I've been a consistant loser for a month or three, but every time a good portion of the fault was my own. It's alot more pleasant to blame significant cash losses on that final 80/20 that didn't come up for you than it is to reexamine the 41720471740 times you played hands semi-optimally just before. |
I agree with you to some extent. However, there are times when you're playing very well, but can't hit a hand to save your life. This is what I equate with a "cold streak". 80% of the losses I have sustained have been due to my own ineptitude. This is probably true of most players. However, you don't remember those hands when you knew you should've raised and didn't, or vice versa. You remember those hands where you got your money in with the best of it and it didn't hold. It's "selective memory", much like not remembering that you have a dentist appointment because you really hate going to the dentist. |
Didn't... Didn't you just substantiate my point?
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:00 am GMT by BeerWench13
Yes, yes I did. Don't get used to it.
I did put the disclaimer in though.
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | However, there are times when you're playing very well, but can't hit a hand to save your life. |
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:01 am GMT by supafrey
| BeerWench13 wrote: | Yes, yes I did. Don't get used to it.
I did put the disclaimer in though.
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | However, there are times when you're playing very well, but can't hit a hand to save your life. |
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Yeah I have selective reading. I tend to ignore the wrong parts.
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:38 pm GMT by cayouche
| supafrey wrote: | | BeerWench13 wrote: |
| cayouche wrote: | | Even when you have skills, you have the patience, it means nothing when you don't have luck. |
Sometimes. It's a shame how true this statement can be. |
It's true much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much less than most THPers would have one believe. |
Anytime, someone can get dealt KK, flop quad Ks, and get beaten by runner-runner quads As from someone who limped with AA. Even the skillfullest of players would go broke here. So, my quote cannot be so true.
However, supafrey, if you say that it mustn't be used as an overstatement, then I have to agree. "Bad luck" cannot/should not excuse everything. As you said, losing a few 70/30s do not equate to a "cold streak". It's more like "shit happens" stuff...
I was just referring to hands like "short-stack AQ who pushes-in, vs. your QQ" and "short-stack AJ who pushes-in, vs. your JJ". I would do the same calls 95% of the times. In THAT situation, there's nothing you can do. It's just bad luck... shit happens.
HOWEVER, had the guy only raised a certain amount instead of being "all-in", now, I call. He flops an ace, and it's an easy fold.
Anyway...
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:03 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| supafrey wrote: | | BeerWench13 wrote: | Yes, yes I did. Don't get used to it.
I did put the disclaimer in though. |
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | However, there are times when you're playing very well, but can't hit a hand to save your life. |
Yeah I have selective reading. I tend to ignore the wrong parts. |
Are you saying you've never had a session where you just can't hit a hand? Times where you have to "make" plays because you aren't going to win if you have to showdown?
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:06 pm GMT by kainARGH
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | supafrey wrote: | | BeerWench13 wrote: | Yes, yes I did. Don't get used to it.
I did put the disclaimer in though. |
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | However, there are times when you're playing very well, but can't hit a hand to save your life. |
Yeah I have selective reading. I tend to ignore the wrong parts. |
Are you saying you've never had a session where you just can't hit a hand? Times where you have to "make" plays because you aren't going to win if you have to showdown? |
Over at ultimatebet , they have this wonderful tool that tells you the % of hands you've won. for limit poker , this is a great and funny " running cold " measureer " for me.
like if my % is in the 40's ,then holy crap Im on a hot streek. If its in the 30's , it means im simply takeing no beats , bad beats or normal ones ... my hands are just holding up. when it sits in the low 20's , well thats all you can hope for. Your playing good , takeing beats but winning pots and applying skill to win in between flopping hands.
but when Im getting pissed off I havent won in forever , angry that i cant flop a pair to save my life or notice every pocket pair gets cracked or ...... ect ect .... then ill take a look and notice my % spiked as low as 12% or the worst was below 10% lol. I left the table.
Posted Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:32 pm GMT by supafrey
| BeerWench13 wrote: |
Are you saying you've never had a session where you just can't hit a hand? Times where you have to "make" plays because you aren't going to win if you have to showdown? |
A session a "cold streak" doth not make. That's the key difference. And "making plays" is just as valid a way to win in poker as showing down some nice hole cards - If you aren't making these moves as often and as aggressively as you could be, you're losing money just the same. That's yet another reason why "cold cards" aren't an excuse. There's always room for improvement regardless of your hole cards...
Why do you think I laugh when you guys call me a luckbox? If you saw my showdown percentages from the last freerolls and thp events you guys would be kicking yourself.
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