my new pot record + interesting hand |
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Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:02 am GMT by ScanX
Hi,
Not only has this been my new record (pot size wise) but I believe the way the hand has been played is kinda interesting (so no, it's not only for showing off purpose :p )
http://www.pokerhand.org/?282253
Preflop play is standard.
My flop play is very debatable/bad.
PokerArie has been a solid player since I sat there, his stack hasnt moved much.
TheBox_ somehow hates PokerArie and cant wait to break him down.
He claimed he was sure he was going to double up thru him and that next time he raises his SB he was moving all-in with any 2. He actually did it.
Anyway, I called the flop hoping that TheBox_ would raise that.
I admit I also wanted to get greedy and was hoping for a non-scary turn to make a move against his bet.
Turn wasnt very scary.
He checks, I bet thinkin that the hand is over already but...check-raise ?
Alarms are on...why would a guy play AA or KK like that ? He wouldnt risk to check the turn for sure.
At this point I'm thinking he has QQ and considering we are both deep I just call to see what he does on the river.
River...why does he bet $750 in a $1700 pot ???
If he had QQ, why would he bet so small with the 2nd nuts ?
I decided this was some sort of blocking bet and that I actually had the best hand, so I pushed...and he made my day :)
This may look like a very ABC hand, but when you are playing deep you have to be more cautious. If I was sitting with 1 buy-in I was all-in on turn.
Comments ?
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Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:50 am GMT by UrAteUp
Dang man that has to be a sweet feeling to hit a pot that big on a money table. Nicely played... 
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:17 am GMT by Dave B
Nice river fish. Play money right?
It is really hard to get away from a set w/ that board, especially 5 handed.
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:55 am GMT by Muck
Gutsy.
I don’t mind the pre-flop call with position but I’d have probably raised the flop. There’s a slim chance of a flush draw and I’d like to know if I might be up against QQ.
I personally thought the Turn was quiet scary. KJ being a possibility or the guy could now have a straight/flush draw on top of say top pair.
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:15 pm GMT by supafrey
First off, we both know this is just to brag.
Second off, pretty standard stuff. Nh.
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:23 pm GMT by ScanX
| supafrey wrote: | First off, we both know this is just to brag.
Second off, pretty standard stuff. Nh. |
first off if I wanted to brag I wouldnt have mentionned it beforehand...I would have posted it innocently.
second off, 3x buy-in vs 3x buy-in is hardly standard stuff.
nice try though supafag :)
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:26 pm GMT by supafrey
Standard in terms of your play, i meant, Wafflebanger.
And if you were bragging any louder we'd need earplugs.
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:30 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Nice hand. Even nicer pot! I won't lie. I'm jealous. I've not yet won a pot over a grand. Maybe one day....
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:10 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
You just blew my bankroll away in one hand. Jerk. 
Very nice Scan, I must say I like the play.
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:13 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Heck I am happy to win $5 in a pot... ...I couldn't imagine winning $5,000 in one... . Hey if this is a bragging post then keep on posting a bragging Scan. Your posts are good like so many others on this forum. They are always filled with useful information...
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:53 pm GMT by Geno
| Dave B wrote: | Nice river fish. Play money right?
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I  Dave
Mika, any time you wanna brag about a $5,000 pot, you go right ahead and I'll just ban Supa if he is rude. We high rollers have to stick together. Cough.
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:22 pm GMT by howzit
you play solid.
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:25 pm GMT by howzit
mika, 2006 wsop. event #6. hope to see you there.
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:39 pm GMT by Icec0o1
| Geno wrote: | | Dave B wrote: | Nice river fish. Play money right?
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I Dave
Mika, any time you wanna brag about a $5,000 pot, you go right ahead and I'll just ban Supa if he is rude. We high rollers have to stick together. Cough. |
Sorry but I completely agree with Dave...
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:54 pm GMT by zinn0
| Icec0o1 wrote: | | Sorry but I completely agree with Dave... |
Where did he go wrong Ice?
Posted Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:19 pm GMT by Icec0o1
| zinn0 wrote: | | Icec0o1 wrote: | | Sorry but I completely agree with Dave... |
Where did he go wrong Ice? |
I didn't calculate the odds...I would've read his straight by the check/raise on the turn but he had the odds to call that so it's all good. The guy didn't reraise enough...
Posted Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:11 am GMT by ScanX
| howzit wrote: | | mika, 2006 wsop. event #6. hope to see you there. |
#6 is impossible :s
but it's very likely I'll be there for #37...still workin on it, will let you know
Posted Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:11 am GMT by snoogins47
Scan: NH, lucksack.
| Icec0o1 wrote: | | I didn't calculate the odds...I would've read his straight by the check/raise on the turn |
After I saw the entire hand history, I had the other guy on a straight too.
| Quote: | | but he had the odds to call that so it's all good. |
Immediate odds wise, if Scan knew the opponent had KJ, Scan is taking the worst of it. Of course, he should easily call anyway, but by most accounts, Scan isn't "getting the odds" against KJ.
| Quote: | | The guy didn't reraise enough... |
If Scan has a set, he's taking the worst of it with that re-raise. The reverse implied odds hurt KJs cause, but we also have to take into account that Scan will probably call some sort of river bet if he has a set and doesn't fill up. Other than that, and the occasional case where Scan has like, eight trillion draws instead of a set (which isn't much worse of KJ really) I can't imagine a larger raise being anything but counterproductive. With KJ here, there are a lot of hands that are nearly drawing dead that will want to get involved. Do we try to make sure they fold?
The only time our opponent 'didn't re-raise enough' is basically when he knows Scan has a set. If he knew Scan had a set, his re-raise might not be optimum if Scan would call a larger one, but it's big enough to cause Scan to make a mistake... and if the opponent knew that Scan had a set, making an immediate mistake is fine, because if we know he has a set, we don't have to worry about reverse implied odds when he hits... just gotta worry about making money on the river when he misses, which is the majority of the time.
I haven't played NL1000. But I've played up to NL600, and I've never run into a game where a relatively normal opponent ALWAYS has a straight after that turn action. How did you figure it out? Was the vein in his neck throbbing at just the right tempo? Pattern-mapper?
Some people might say I'm picking on you, Ice. They'd probably be right, but dear lord, man, if you're going to throw your opinion around like you're king of the world, backing it up with something other than blind resolve might not be a bad idea.
Posted Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:18 am GMT by ScanX
When I said that the check-raise on the turn set the alarms on and made me think he had QQ it was because of the preflop raise UTG.
KJ of course crossed my mind, but QQ seemed more "realistic".
Anyway it doesnt really matter if you put your opponent on QQ or KJ.
What is important is that you realize that something is fishy on turn and that you are most probably beat at that point.
But you must be also able to realize that you now have the best hand on river.
Of course knowing exactly what your opponent has would be better (if he has QQ just fold), but I really dont believe in such "perfect read"...at least not in this case.
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