Posted Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:28 pm GMT by ComedyBee
Well i learned another lesson it seemed, this weekend, lost all but $10 of the profit i made during the week. In the week i was making say $10 a night on average, on the $25 NL tables.
I was advised that weekends are good because you get a lot of fish out there, well this weekend i became one. I found that there was so little respect for bets that it became harder to read people.
Does this mean that i have to just sit there and wait for the prime hands?
Is this a good time to multi-table and play tight, rather than my normal game at 1 table.
I am never playing this late again, 4am here.
Well i withdrew my deposit and i will have another go in a whiles time with these two lessons learned:
- Don't play past midnight.
- Don't play at weekends, well unless some new plan is formulated.
Does anyone have any comments on playing at weekends.
Dave
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Posted Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:52 pm GMT by AHBrownell
I am a multitabler - but I will say that tight seems right most of the time...
I only really play AA, KK, QQ, AK, or AQ. Unless positional raise. I also like to smooth call more with big hands to trap... people are easily convinced into throwing their whole stack to buy the pot - its great to flip over those AA or set and take it from them...
Posted Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:37 pm GMT by snoogins47
I think my most important piece of advice is not to jump to any conclusions after one night.
Posted Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:49 pm GMT by supafrey
And don't listen to Ahbrownell for reasonable poker advice.
Posted Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:52 pm GMT by Johny
| supafrey wrote: | | And don't listen to Ahbrownell for reasonable poker advice. |
I'm sure their was a better way of saying you disagree with him.
Posted Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:53 pm GMT by zinn0
| AHBrownell wrote: |
I only really play AA, KK, QQ, AK, or AQ. |
Are you serious?
Posted Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:51 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
| zinn0 wrote: | | AHBrownell wrote: |
I only really play AA, KK, QQ, AK, or AQ. |
Are you serious? |
That's way too extreme. If you only play those cards, your opponents will easily catch on to you. Yes, you're positional raises are nice, but you have to throw some other hands in the mix as well.
Posted Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:03 am GMT by ScanX
| supafrey wrote: | | And don't listen to Ahbrownell for reasonable poker advice. |
I'm tempted to second that after reading his advice on the range of hands to play
Posted Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:28 am GMT by jimmer
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | That's way too extreme. If you only play those cards, your opponents will easily catch on to you. Yes, you're positional raises are nice, but you have to throw some other hands in the mix as well. |
I'm not saying i disagree with you. BUT if you're playing micro-small stakes and a couple of tables at a time, i've found most other players at this level do not to care how their opponents play. there're more interested in their own game.
Therefore you can easily make a profit out of premium hands only
Posted Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:46 am GMT by zinn0
| jimmer wrote: | I'm not saying i disagree with you. BUT if you're playing micro-small stakes and a couple of tables at a time, i've found most other players at this level do not to care how their opponents play. there're more interested in their own game.
Therefore you can easily make a profit out of premium hands only |
And you are also leaving A LOT of money on the table.
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:17 am GMT by UrAteUp
Comedy,
Weekends are good but not when your playing till the wee hours of the morning. When you get tired you start playing just about any two cards thinking this could be the miracle flop I am looking for here.
The important thing to remember anytime your going to play poker is to play at your prime time. That time of day when your alert and awake. Don't play super long hours in a row either. Your mind will start playing tricks on you and again every hand will look like a good one to play.
If you see one table is cold and not giving you good cards then change tables. At most online poker sites this isn't a problem. This is probably the biggest and best reason to play poker online, well besides the ease of finding fish. I also recommend never setting at the same table for long periods. If you notice all the fish are gone then it is time to leave. It's kind of like being a shark in the ocean and you have to go hunting for your prey.... 
Zinno is right and AH is way off base here. Tight is right works well for SNG and tournament play (mind you if you don't mix it up and play other hands your probably going to be short stacked later when blinds get way heavy while your waiting for these premium hands), but in ring game play you should loosen up a bit and play some strange hands. The thing to remember is play them in position. Position is one of the biggest single elements in NL TH. I have played 72o in position and got a guy to lay down winning hands. Sometimes odd cards in position pay off even better because you will hit a flop that turns your hand into a nut hand while others are thinking their TPTK is the best, your sucking in chips with a hand they could never imagine anyone playing that happens to hit the flop.
Micro tables are like a virtual fish feast if you catch the right ones and the right players. Watch out for other sharks in the area but don't fear them because they can turn into your feast as well when they try to muscle you around when your holding the nut hand.
Posted Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:41 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Is this a good time to multi-table and play tight, rather than my normal game at 1 table. |
To some extent, yes. I find that on the weekends I can play 2-3 tables and play a smaller range of hands than I would sitting at one table and establishing a definite read on my opponents.
What hands you play should always vary though. Limp in with that 87o in LP every once in a while. Raise with it sometimes. Play those suited gappers, but be prepared to lay them down if you miss unless you know you can take the pot with a bet. When you play aggressively, keep playing aggressively. If you raise with AK and the flop is 2 7 J, bet it. Sure you missed, but your opponents don't know that. Also, PP's are worth calling a preflop raise if you've got implied odds for a big payout if you hit your set.
I'm known as a tight/aggressive player to pretty much everyone I play. What they don't see is the 24s that I raised with preflop and took the pot with a bet on the flop. The key is to showdown with premium hands. Then, if any players are paying attention (it's rare, but it does happen) your raises will gain more respect. Once you crack 1 or 2 players at a table with a monster hand (especially if you play it well), you'll see that your bets will be respected a bit more and you'll be able to take down more pots with lesser hands.
Another thing I've noticed are the short-stackers that sit with the minimum buy-in. These people are going to raise, raise, raise trying to steal pots. I'm not saying to completely disrespect their raises because they will have hands every once in a while, but you have to play back at them too. They're actually pretty easy targets since most of the time they're raising with any face card or A in the hole.
| Quote: | | Tight is right works well for SNG and tournament play (mind you if you don't mix it up and play other hands your probably going to be short stacked later when blinds get way heavy while your waiting for these premium hands), but in ring game play you should loosen up a bit and play some strange hands. |
I disagree. I play more aggressively and a wider range of hands in tournaments and SNG's than I do in a cash game, depending on how may players are left and my position.
Remember, in a cash game the blinds stay the same all of the time. You don't have to make moves to preserve your seat. You should make moves, but it's not a necessity. Play your opponents well, but don't get involved in small pots with bad draws. If you're going to draw on your opponent, get paid for it.
Position, position, position. It's very important.
Posted Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:20 am GMT by AHBrownell
LOL. I just got back from vacation to this flame - er post.
I think you misunderstand me (and since its most of you, it is obviously due to my lack of information).
My basic strategy for multitabling low stakes no-limit hold'em is basically as follows: 
*Power hands refers to AA, KK, QQ, AK"
 Only play "power hands" in early position if you are first to the pot.
Don't call raises in middle/early position unless you have a "power hand"
Don't call/raise reraises unless you have AA or KK
Avoid playing easily dominated hands to raises - AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ, etc.
If you are in late position, play pairs 22-JJ to a reasonable raise - especially against many players
If you are in late position and everyone folds to you - raise with any suited connector (down to 65), any pair, any aceX (suited or unsuited)
Against many limpers, play any two suited cards above 5 in late position.
In my original post I was trying to suggest:
1) Most players in low stakes games simply play their two cards only - not their opponents
2) You can be profitable (not play the absolutely best poker possible, but profitable) by playing tight most of the time.
3) Avoiding non-Power hands out of position and rarely against raises is profitable.
4) I play a lot of tables. If you play 8 tables at a time, you cannot pay TOO much attention to your opponents. I classify my players through the software as SOLID, CRAZY, or FISH. I bluff/manipulate the solid players more, play very timidly against the crazies if my hand is semi-strong, and overbet and play book poker against fish. Now if I was playing a single table, I could and would pay much more attention than these simple classifications, BUT as it stands its far easier (and more proftiable imo) to identify "generalities" and just play a standard game x8.
5) Many hands are losers - plain and simple. What good players realize is that every hand has additional value in terms of advertising/bluffing. Unfortunately, if your opponents are unaware of how you play, these "advertising" hands' value is GREATLY reduced. This is why a squeaky tight starting hand list works. These hands are profitable - and where as in a casino if you only played AA, KK, QQ, AK people would notice, people in these low level games do not. An idiot who should have noticed the last time you played you had a top hand will still go call you down with A6 against your AK - he doesn't realize you've played 12 hands out of the last 100; when these are your opponents AND the games are loose why would you bother playing more hands?
Annie Duke discusses the principle on her DVD; if you have a loose table, bluffing is unnecessary - playing tight is most profitable. This is how I play.
Posted Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:39 pm GMT by UrAteUp
quote="BeerWench13" | Quote: |
| Quote: | | Tight is right works well for SNG and tournament play (mind you if you don't mix it up and play other hands your probably going to be short stacked later when blinds get way heavy while your waiting for these premium hands), but in ring game play you should loosen up a bit and play some strange hands. |
I disagree. I play more aggressively and a wider range of hands in tournaments and SNG's than I do in a cash game, depending on how may players are left and my position.
Remember, in a cash game the blinds stay the same all of the time. You don't have to make moves to preserve your seat. You should make moves, but it's not a necessity. Play your opponents well, but don't get involved in small pots with bad draws. If you're going to draw on your opponent, get paid for it.
Position, position, position. It's very important. |
Ahhh so we agree to disagree again huh Wenchy?  . I do agree the one of the single most important aspects of an SNG is position. I also think this is very important in ring games. The rest of what you said does make sence but there are just some hands, even with position, I am laying down if entering a raised pot or a pot raised from someone in EP or MP, if that raise is a big one (3-5xBB).
Posted Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:45 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
To AHBrownell,
Ok, that's slightly more reasonable, but if you're regularly folding AQ, AJ, KQ, and KJ, you're still leaving a lot of money on the table. In LIMIT, I would probably consider folding offsuit AJ, KQ, or KJ to a raise, but I would certainly at least call with AQs or AQ, AJs, and KQs (maybe not KJs). But in No-Limit, when post-flop play is much more sophisticated, I won't lay down hands to small raise simply because they might be dominated--if you think you're beat after the flop, then you lay them down--if you can't lay down KJ when the flop comes K-9-7 and there's too much action, you don't have enough self-control to play No Limit.
Personally, I think 8-tables is way too many; I think you're sacrificing parts of your game to do this. In a mechanical game like limit where you can act more or less like a computer, you might be able to play 8 tables well. But in a game like NL when there are so many outside factors to consider, I don't think I'd ever play more than 3 tables at a time.
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