Posted Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:59 pm GMT by chungking
Why would a poker site rig the game? This is the most common response to posts that say it is rigged. Hmmm why, because you can make a lot more money thats why. Retort, but if they were caught their reputation would be damaged and they would lose business. Well my friends the messages are coming out and i dont see anyones reputation being damaged. Especially since for every complaint about constant bad beats there are five people going out of their way to say that its not. I wonder how many of those people are affiliated to online gaming? And every website that retorts these complaints is in one way or another funded by online poker sites. Hmmmm. Whose going to catch them. I have 10k hand stored and for the most part the run like you might think. But there are frequent PATCHES of horrible beats. Newbies do get cards to get them locked in. Poker sites do have their own players. Sites with gambling will dump to people that will blow it on sports betting or blackjack. Bodog, Cryptic, Tiger gaming, Prima. And how do you prove it? You cant but trust your instincts. When something isnt quite right examine your play and make a judgement. Move to a new site and put the other in the recycle bin. There are so many sites out there. The only thing you can do is leave with your money before its all gone and go somewhere else. WHY WOULD THEY RIG IT. MONEY AND THE LACK OF ANY REGULATION. THEY HAVE THE PEOPLE AND THE POWER IN POCKET.
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Posted Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:30 pm GMT by Johny
Sorry in advanced for the replies you might get. Online poker isn't rigged, there isn't any real proof.
Posted Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:23 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
Johnny didnt u even watch the MTT u just played in 
Posted Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:29 pm GMT by zinn0
Didn't we just go over this?
Posted Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:04 pm GMT by Johny
| Jernej Zorec wrote: | | Johnny didnt u even watch the MTT u just played in |
Yeah, tell me about Jernej, sometimes I wonder.
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:45 am GMT by UrAteUp
There are only a few things that are known to mankind that have been proven.
1) The skiy is blue.
2) Grass is or should be green.
3) Water is wet.
4) Women have secrets.
Now where the heck do you see the phrase online poker is rigged? You don't because it's not. Before you bring in alligations and start shooting off about online poker is rigged, bring proof. You think people here will take your word for it? What makes you an authority? It's time to shit or get off the pot dude. Saying it doesn't make it so. If it did then let me just say I am the prettiest SOB in the world...  ...well because I really am...
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:59 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
Online poker IS rigged, FACT!
Now get over it and move on.
If you don't like that it's rigged, don't play on it, if you don't give a shit, keep playing, why the deabate?
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:32 am GMT by tame_deuces
| UrAteUp wrote: | There are only a few things that are known to mankind that have been proven.
1) The skiy is blue.
2) Grass is or should be green.
3) Water is wet.
4) Women have secrets.
Now where the heck do you see the phrase online poker is rigged? You don't because it's not. Before you bring in alligations and start shooting off about online poker is rigged, bring proof. You think people here will take your word for it? What makes you an authority? It's time to shit or get off the pot dude. Saying it doesn't make it so. If it did then let me just say I am the prettiest SOB in the world... ...well because I really am... |
Actually, the sky isn't blue.
And I'm not so sure about number 4 either, I think men have secrets and women have things they're dying to tell.
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:39 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | for every complaint about constant bad beats there are five people going out of their way to say that its not. I wonder how many of those people are affiliated to online gaming? |
I have been one of the many who have stated that online poker is not rigged. Firstly, I am in no way affiliated with any online gaming site. Secondly, I have lost a great deal of money to online poker.
Now that that's out of the way, let me say that if you think online poker is rigged because you take bad beats, you must not have much live poker experience. I've taken worse beats in live play then I've ever taken online. It's part of the game. The more you play live or online, the more bad beats you're likely to experience.
It's the same principle as vehicular accidents. What I mean is that the more you drive, the more likely you are to be involved in an accident. Does this mean that there are people out there, funded by an insurance company, waiting to crash into you and doing so on purpose? Sure, there are scammers out there just as there are colluders online. However, to say that an insurance company is funding these crazy car wreck scammers would be a ridiculous statement. The same goes for online poker.
I don't understand why everyone who loses at online poker automatically think it's rigged. I also don't understand why they say it's rigged but continue to play. If you're so convinced, why are you wasting your money? Do you have more money than sense?
If you think it's rigged, don't play. It's really very simple.
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:07 am GMT by galderon
It's just not in a poker site's interest to rig games...they're making money hand over fist as it is, and if they get caught rigging games, they'll get shut down...it's that simple.
Anything that is possible in poker will happen, if you play long enough. It's statistically possible to flop a royal flush -- I've done it. Too bad it was play money!
With all the ups and downs of poker, we tend to forget the ups and remember the downs, thus it's easy to interpret what we're seeing as being rigged.
Posted Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:41 am GMT by Muck
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | Online poker IS rigged, FACT!
Now get over it and move on.
If you don't like that it's rigged, don't play on it, if you don't give a shit, keep playing, why the deabate? |
Hey Webby can I join you at stage 5?
- Denial that anyone is this stupid.
- Bargaining with the facts to support your case.
- Anger that they just wont listen.
- Despair that this will never end.
- Acceptance that “on-| POKER iZ riGGed” threads popping up and nothing will change no matter what you say.
From now on I think “Yes it’s rigged so don’t play, bye” will be my only response too. Just give them nowhere to go.
Posted Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:13 am GMT by galderon
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | Online poker IS rigged, FACT! |
It is rigged! The poker site takes a cut of every pot!!!! 
Posted Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:21 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | It is rigged! The poker site takes a cut of every pot!!!! |
Are you serious?!?! OMFG!!!
Posted Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:43 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
| Muck wrote: |
Hey Webby can I join you at stage 5?
- Denial that anyone is this stupid.
- Bargaining with the facts to support your case.
- Anger that they just wont listen.
- Despair that this will never end.
- Acceptance that “on-| POKER iZ riGGed” threads popping up and nothing will change no matter what you say.
From now on I think “Yes it’s rigged so don’t play, bye” will be my only response too. Just give them nowhere to go. |
Heh. these stages do not follow a linear progression and you may find that you jump from stage 4 to stage 1 to stage 3 to stage 5
Posted Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:11 am GMT by Muck
Hey what’s wrong with stage 2? These threads are bread and butter post padding opportunities
Almost as good as “I hate country x, because of religion y. Discuss”.
Posted Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:17 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Hey what’s wrong with stage 2? These threads are bread and butter post padding opportunities |
I'm appreciative of the fact that you always have the big picture in mind, Muck.
I think you should get the Kernel Mustard award.
Posted Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:21 pm GMT by JewishPete
To add on to beerwenchs post about online vs. live beats.
Another thing to consider is the fact that in 1 hour of online play, you will see 5x as many hands as you would in 1 hour of live play. People tend to not remember when they give bad beats, but only when it happens to them.
Poker isn't rigged, online anyway. I have some of the worst luck in the world, take more beats than probably anybody here and I don't have the slightest thought in my mind that it could be rigged.
Just remember poker is not a card game. the cards are just symbols for different odds, probabilities and statistics. People tend to forget that the higher probability does not always hold up
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:43 am GMT by Red Bullet
What about Play Money?
I started playing at PokerStars 3 months ago, and built my play money bankroll up to 400k. Within a 4 week period I lost my entire bankroll, all 400k without winning a single hand during those 4 weeks. If PokerStars is legit, then there's no way that I should have lost my entire bankroll. Something stinks, and its not the fish in the cafeteria. I also ran into the exact same problem at AbsolutePoker. Can you imagine if I decided to start playing with real money at these 2 poker rooms? I'd go broke in a week. This just isn't right.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:07 am GMT by MasterShake
| Red Bullet wrote: | What about Play Money?
I started playing at PokerStars 3 months ago, and built my play money bankroll up to 400k. Within a 4 week period I lost my entire bankroll, all 400k without winning a single hand during those 4 weeks. If PokerStars is legit, then there's no way that I should have lost my entire bankroll. Something stinks, and its not the fish in the cafeteria. I also ran into the exact same problem at AbsolutePoker. Can you imagine if I decided to start playing with real money at these 2 poker rooms? I'd go broke in a week. This just isn't right. |
You can't compare play money tables to real money tables. There's just way too much implied collusion.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:42 am GMT by Red Bullet
So what am I supposed to think then? I still haven't won a hand since I lost my entire bankroll, and its been a week already since I lost my entire bankroll. Something isn't right.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:43 pm GMT by Cricket_Fire
Why would the rig play money games lmfao
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:37 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Red Bullet wrote: | What about Play Money?
I started playing at PokerStars 3 months ago, and built my play money bankroll up to 400k. Within a 4 week period I lost my entire bankroll, all 400k without winning a single hand during those 4 weeks. If PokerStars is legit, then there's no way that I should have lost my entire bankroll. Something stinks, and its not the fish in the cafeteria. I also ran into the exact same problem at AbsolutePoker. Can you imagine if I decided to start playing with real money at these 2 poker rooms? I'd go broke in a week. This just isn't right. |
Just think though if you can turn 1000 play chips into 400k then you could turn $1000 into $400k of real money. Just cash out after you hit the $400k mark. Besides when you hit that level you won't have to worry about the online poker sites. Your ass would be setting at the WSOP or WPT events live... You would be a poker superstar...
If a site rigged play money tables...all I can say is that is just hella lame... I don't think it is the sites being rigged you have to worry about. It is all the people colluding to take your play chips. That's right, they are colluding against you for play chips. Why you ask? Simple,
http://cgi.ebay.com/Poker-Play-Chips_W0QQitemZ320021721936QQihZ011QQcategoryZ63756QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
If they can corner the market in play chips they can make a fortune on ebay with them. Not only that but imagine if they create a shortage of play chips in the virtual poker world. They could seriously rule the whole damn world that way....I shudder at the thought and chaos they could create... 
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:06 pm GMT by Muck
| Red Bullet wrote: | What about Play Money?
I started playing at PokerStars 3 months ago, and built my play money bankroll up to 400k. Within a 4 week period I lost my entire bankroll, all 400k without winning a single hand during those 4 weeks. If PokerStars is legit, then there's no way that I should have lost my entire bankroll. Something stinks, and its not the fish in the cafeteria. I also ran into the exact same problem at AbsolutePoker. Can you imagine if I decided to start playing with real money at these 2 poker rooms? I'd go broke in a week. This just isn't right. |
No, this posts can not be serious.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:03 pm GMT by Red Bullet
I'm damn serious.
If these players are colluding to take my chips, then how are they doing it?
I'm either getting hold cards that I can't do anything with, or when I do get hold cards that I can play with, either 1 or 2 things happen. 1. The flops are crap and I have to muck my hold cards, or 2. I wind up with two pair, a flush draw, or a straight draw on the flop, or on the turn. I know I'm dead if I bet or call on the turn, because I never catch the card(s) I need to win the pot. So in the end I wind up losing 2k or 3k. Honestly, I really don't know what the hell is going on, but whatever it is, it's down right cruel.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:53 pm GMT by Johny
Wow.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:17 pm GMT by Red Bullet
I feel like I'm being Black Ball'd.
I know what I have to do now. It's what I had to do when the exact same situation happened to me last year at PokerStars.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:26 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
The fact that you call them "hold cards" leads me to believe that you're an idiot, and that you're just bad at poker.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:51 pm GMT by vyni
I'm speechless. A converstaion void of logic. I fear that entertaining this by adding a reply will only award me a plastic helmet and the very front seat on the short bus.
Sigh.
Play money rigging? I'm sorry, for what again?
Real money game rigging.. again, for what? These operations are pulling down 9, 10 figures a year and you're suggesting they're rigging the games..... so another player makes your money? They're raking the pot and collecting tourney fees. Somebody is making that money...suggesting that that somebody works for the casino... wow.
As with all things in life, if you dont trust them, well then get out. But please please please stop with the "I lost so it must be rigged" bs. Please.
Experienced players take their beats and move on.
Some newer players cry foul after they tilted and blew their banks. Rather than blame the game, why not look at your own plays and see where you need improvement. You'll never get better if you can't even take responcibility for your own plays.
Play money rigged. Great. Im going to have to go bang my head on the bathroom wall for awhile now.
Billy Madison situation here folks: congrats.
You are now dumber for having read this thread.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:08 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
All poker is rigged, the lower the stakes the more rigged it is, therefore play money is the most rigged of all pokers.
Deposit some money and play less rigged poker
By the time you're playing in the Big Game, it's hardly even rigged much at all.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:15 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| vyni wrote: | | Great. Im going to have to go bang my head on the bathroom wall for awhile now. |
Vyni I don't think I would do that if I were you buddy. You might damage what little you got left up there... . Dealing with Webby, Geno and the rest of these gambling degenerates has to have lessened the amount of gray matter upstairs... ....so if you do insist on the head to the wall trick just make sure to put on a helmut....
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:14 pm GMT by Red Bullet
I'm not a loose/aggressive player. If I can't win one single hand in 5 weeks, then there's something wrong, and its not my style of play!
That's another question. What purpose would PokerStars have for rigging play money games? I believe they do, but for what reasons? They're not gaining anything by rigging play money games, so why do it?
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:22 pm GMT by snoogins47
| Red Bullet wrote: | I'm not a loose/aggressive player. If I can't win one single hand in 5 weeks, then there's something wrong, and its not my style of play!
That's another question. What purpose would PokerStars have for rigging play money games? I believe they do, but for what reasons? They're not gaining anything by rigging play money games, so why do it? |
We actually had a meeting (by 'we' I mean the online poker cabal that doesn't exist, so forget I said anything) about 5 weeks ago. One of our 'senior' members said he didn't like you, so we pulled a few strings.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:39 pm GMT by Red Bullet
LOL Very funny
snoogins you're an idiot. If I want s**t from you I'll squeeze your head. If you can't help me out, then don't reply. Moron
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:55 pm GMT by snoogins47
What do you want help with?
Anyway, I bet if they rigged a site, I wouldn't be shocked if play money were rigged too. Less code and probably a smaller chance of arousing suspicion. Who knows.
Now, if you're looking for help on figuring out why your 'reasoning' behind the 'rigged' conclusion is silly, I'll let somebody else handle it because I don't have the proper tact. If you're just trolling, I have to commend you: you picked a helluva method to do so.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:58 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| snoogins47 wrote: | | We actually had a meeting (by 'we' I mean the online poker cabal that doesn't exist, so forget I said anything) about 5 weeks ago. One of our 'senior' members said he didn't like you, so we pulled a few strings. |
Dude...I told you not to tell anyone about the society that doesn't exist. Now we have to revoke your nonmembership.
Posted Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:05 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Red Bullet wrote: | | either 1 or 2 things happen. 1. The flops are crap and I have to muck my hold cards, or 2. I wind up with two pair, a flush draw, or a straight draw on the flop, or on the turn. I know I'm dead if I bet or call on the turn, because I never catch the card(s) I need to win the pot. |
Yeah poker is just cruel.
Them straightdraws I get on the turn is a bitch for me too, and when I bet nobody folds and I don't get the cards I need to the river.
Winning is just unpossible!
Posted Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:55 am GMT by UrAteUp
| Red Bullet wrote: | LOL Very funny
snoogins you're an idiot. If I want s**t from you I'll squeeze your head. If you can't help me out, then don't reply. Moron |
I think we all got enough s**t out of you and this post. That "belief" of yours that free money poker is rigged is just about the most insane, inept peice of bullcrap I think has ever been posted here (outside a few stupid spammers). Then you bring this crap in here and expect reasonable answers to a problem that means little because most players in this forum loose real money and don't cry about it. When people don't pat you on the back, stoke your ego and give you answers you expect to hear, like you play great and the site must be rigged, you whine and cry about it and insult them. You bring only the proof that you went from 400k in play chips to busting out your "bankroll". Several factors could cause this. Playing over your limits, playing stupidly which is probably the biggest reason. I think it is about time you have a gut check session with yourself and see why your getting such ridicule from some posters at this site when your crybabying about play chips VS real $$$.
Posted Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:03 am GMT by ki_cz
If online poker is rigged, then howcome the exact same things happen in tournaments, and sngs where you have already paid your fees? There is no increase in amount raked, yet bad beats still happen.
Face it, if you think online poker is rigged, either:
a) you suck
b) you suck
c) you suck but you think you're better than you are
d) you suck and should stop playing
e) you're an idiot, and you suck
Posted Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:13 am GMT by BeerWench13
I've been away for a while and just too busy to post, but you guys know I can't let this one go.
| Red Bullet wrote: | | I'm not a loose/aggressive player. If I can't win one single hand in 5 weeks, then there's something wrong, and its not my style of play! |
Try losing every single hand for 6 months in live play. Does that mean every casino, home game, etc. that I played was rigged? This has happened to me. Some days you're the windshield and some days you're the bug. It's part of the game. What you need to do is step back and evaluate why you're losing every single hand. If the cards just aren't coming (and, that happens soooo often), then you drop down in limits until your "cold streak" is over. If the cards are there but you're getting outdrawn all the time (this happens a LOT more in play money because there are no real stakes so rarely will anyone fold if they have any draw), then maybe you should analyze your betting strategy.
The idea that a multi-million dollar enterprise would risk their reputation by rigging play money games is beyond preposterous. That would be like me having a game of Go Fish and setting up the cards so I'd win before play. What could I possibly gain from that?
Posted Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:05 am GMT by MasterShake
| Red Bullet wrote: | I'm damn serious.
If these players are colluding to take my chips, then how are they doing it?
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IMPLIED collusion. They're not all working together intentionally to beat you. But the shear number of callers to see almost any flop in play money and low limit games means that SOMEONE is going to hit, and chances are it isn't you. If you have AA but get 5 callers, YOU are the underdog and most likely YOU will lose the hand.
Shake's law of online poker.
PLAY MONEY POKER IS NOT REAL POKER BECAUSE THEY PLAYERS HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE AND THEREFORE DO NOT CARE IF THEY DO.
Posted Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:10 am GMT by BeerWench13
| MasterShake wrote: | Shake's law of online poker.
PLAY MONEY POKER IS NOT REAL POKER BECAUSE THEY PLAYERS HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE AND THEREFORE DO NOT CARE IF THEY DO. |
To add to this and paraphrase from another poster (I can't remember who or I'd give them full credit)... Watching or playing play money poker to learn how to play real poker is like watching bowling to learn how to play football.
Posted Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:26 am GMT by Johny
If nothing else, this thread is worth it because it brought Wenchie back for a few posts!
Posted Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:10 pm GMT by craggoo
Is online poker rigged? Absolutely!
Why you ask? Because I cant win $$$$ in online poker when i win 10 million at the casino every night!
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