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Posted Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:52 pm GMT by greathuskie
say you have 34 in the BB and the flop comes 567, is it ever right to slowplay a hand like this?
what about 8Q and the flop comes 910J?
ive had this happen 2 or 3 times so far and ive realized im not positive on how to paly it, so i normally overbet it and take it down there...
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Posted Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:10 pm GMT by galderon
I'm curious on the answer on this one as well. You might be in trouble if the hand that can beat you is K-Q, Q-J or J-10, since those hands are often played and sometimes overvalued.
Maybe put out a small bet and see what happens. If they raise back at you, maybe they have a set, and if they just call, they're slow playing a bigger straight. But I'm no expert! 
Posted Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:54 am GMT by AHBrownell
In the first example, I'd bet 2/3 to 3/4 pot - maybe even a pot sized bet. The way I view this hand is that you want 8s to fold - only calling with poor odds. Overbetting the pot may make your opponents mistake bigger, but if you get reraised substantially I don't think you would be willing to go broke with this hand so you are going to fold - a bigger bet means you are losing more when you do fold. Why waste that extra money.
The key to a good bet is making your opponent make mistakes. If you bet too big your opponents decision is easy. They will call/raise if they have you beat and fold if they don't. A regular sized bet (see above) will generally win you the hand when you are way ahead - but it might get some marginal hands to call (top pair for instance) when they are nearly drawing dead. Yes you will occassionally have to fold on the turn if a 3, 8, or 9 hits and your opponent leads into or raises you - but its worth it I think.
With that second example you can be much sneakier. I'm assuming you got to see the flop cheaply seeing as you have a Q8. This means that its less likely that your opponents have BIG cards. This is important. If you think you are up against a higher straight draw then bet the same as above - I am more inclined to check this hand in early position into multiple limpers - and call any raises - planning on reraising any turn bets (If a K or Q doesn't hit). In late position I would also probably just call or check the flop and then reraise the turn or river.
The thing to remember here is that you essentially have the nuts. Its very unlikely that someone just limped with KQ - its possible, but I think if they did you are going broke.
The first example you want to proceed with much more caution. If you are heavily reraised I think you are throwing it away most of the time. In the second one, you are trying to get your opponents to make a fatal mistake - you want as many chips in the pot as you can get.
Lastly, if you are a frisky player who is calling raises with Q8 then you might get in trouble occassionally for doing so. I'd still play the second example very aggressively to the river as long as no K, or Q hit. If they do SLOW down and check/call or even fold if you suspect you have been outdrawn...
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