Tourney Hand... What's Your Play Here? |
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Posted Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:21 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
PokerStars Game #4522183868: Tournament #22518956, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/04/04 - 19:51:40 (ET)
Table '22518956 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Tribster (345 in chips)
Seat 2: TUIN (870 in chips)
Seat 3: Turn_Prophet (1885 in chips)
Seat 4: ByteSize (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: Toronto Rob (645 in chips)
Seat 6: bcs0113 (890 in chips)
Seat 7: mchoa001 (1625 in chips)
Seat 8: LGK1 (3600 in chips)
Seat 9: beegld (2160 in chips)
ByteSize: posts small blind 50
Toronto Rob: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Turn_Prophet  
bcs0113: folds
mchoa001: folds
LGK1: raises 100 to 200
beegld: raises 200 to 400
Tribster: folds
TUIN: folds
Turn_Prophet: calls 400
ByteSize: folds
Toronto Rob: raises 245 to 645 and is all-in
LGK1: calls 445
beegld: calls 245
Turn_Prophet: ?????
I don't see any really good way to play Jacks here.
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Posted Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:47 pm GMT by kainARGH
unfortunatly , chips stacks taken into account , I think your only move is call and see what the flop brings. your getting a little over 6 to 1 odds to call at this point.
However the sh!ty part about the flop , even if it brings all unders , your still at risk of getting knocked out and it seems more then likly that 1 player of the remaining two will call anything you do .... depending on the flop.
hope to hit a set? 
Posted Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:19 pm GMT by greathuskie
toronto rob is looking for any hand to push with, the other guys are calling hoping to get him otu
i would move all in, but thats just me 
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:39 am GMT by Skribbles
Push it and hope to isolate.
1) You call and over(s) hit. Do you push or fold? Your re-maining chips wouldn't leave you any other options. Only 10BB left, odds are you prolly aren't getting a better hand to get your money in with.
2) While the min-raise could very well be an idiot with AA or KK, even a donk would push after the re-raise and not just call with already 3 in the hand. Doesn't seem like these guys have very strong hands. I'd think your be up against an underpair, maybe 2, and AK-AT. Also only leaves them fewer outs if 2 or more have AK-AT.
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:39 am GMT by AHBrownell
Why'd you call a raise and reraise with JJ? Seems like you could easily be dominated and even if JJ is good, you are going to have a hell of a time figuring out where you stand on the flop if overs hit.
Additionally you are not last to act when you call. By calling with JJ in middle position your opponents sandwiched you into making a mediocre call or a poor fold.
I may play the JJ if I was on the button (If I thought the initial raiser or the reraiser may be raising with weak hands), but otherwise I would toss it. I may be erring on the side of caution - but I don't like putting 1/5 of my 3rd place chip stack on a hand I'm probably folding on the flop...
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:20 am GMT by fiezk
| AHBrownell wrote: | Why'd you call a raise and reraise with JJ? Seems like you could easily be dominated and even if JJ is good, you are going to have a hell of a time figuring out where you stand on the flop if overs hit.
Additionally you are not last to act when you call. By calling with JJ in middle position your opponents sandwiched you into making a mediocre call or a poor fold.
I may play the JJ if I was on the button (If I thought the initial raiser or the reraiser may be raising with weak hands), but otherwise I would toss it. I may be erring on the side of caution - but I don't like putting 1/5 of my 3rd place chip stack on a hand I'm probably folding on the flop... |
quoted for truth
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:25 am GMT by UrAteUp
My play here would be simple. Call the raise and hope for the best. Since both guys are short stacked and all-in I think this is an easy call since you have a good hand going in.
Only once have I thrown away JJ pre-flop. It was in an SNG and One guy bets about 200, another raises to 400 and the porson to act before me went all-in pre-flop. I laid those jacks down dang fast. In your case though I say call. If you do have the best hand (which I am betting you will) and it holds, then not only do you get good chip position but you also eliminate 2 players.
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:47 am GMT by tame_deuces
Hmm, a true toughie. No way I'd fold here for 245 more though, but call for a set/over or push to isolate...hell if I know. Think BB shortie could pull this stunt with any PP or pretty facecards? If so I push now.
I probably push initially as opposed to calling though.
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:51 am GMT by 1988 TR
You need to fold or push pre flop. The call didn't make any sense.
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:43 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Push it and hope to isolate. |
Quoted because it was exactly what I was going to say.
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:00 pm GMT by supafrey
Without reads, I'd reraise big or push.
With some sort of creepy telepathic read I'd prolly just call.
What are you scared of here that a big reraise doesn't help?
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:14 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
well only worried about initial raiser, but since he didnt push after it came back to him u can rule out AA or KK for both him and the rereaiser,
if the both raised propeely instead of 2 minraises u could worry, but i think at this point ur up against overcards so probably best to push since if u call u have to fold if any overcard comes on flop
Posted Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:29 pm GMT by Phil14312
Pus preflop, the min-raiser then min-reraiser have both only called. This screams a lower PP or over cards. Small-stack could have a lot of hands you are beating. If the flop comes with an overcard you are almost certainly behind given the preflop action. Push and isolate.
Posted Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:59 am GMT by Muck
| 1988 TR wrote: | | You need to fold or push pre flop. The call didn't make any sense. |
My thoughts too (sorry if someone already mentioned it before TR).
Considering the blinds and stacks I’d have probably opted for a push.
Posted Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:26 am GMT by Dat_Dude
I would push here as well. Going off the preflop action, I think the only one that MIGHT have you beat right now is the short stack. Why would the other two guys raise small preflop and then just call a reraise if they had QQ-AA? You would think if they had those hands, THEY would have raised to isolate.
Chances are that 2 of the 3 are taking each other's outs here (probably an Ace), so I think you are good right now.
Posted Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:27 pm GMT by TxShadow
Push.
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