Posted Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:53 pm GMT by scez
We were playing a 6 person tournament, and it was heads up. The blinds were 50/100, and the shortstack had 200 chips left with 50 of his chips in the small blind. Twice with a stack this size he folded, and when I said he should just push with any two cards him and someone else said I was wrong. That they should wait for a better hand. I think he said he had 10,2 when he folded which is pretty weak, but in heads up any two live cards is good. Is his stack big enough for him to fold the hand?
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Posted Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:48 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Absolutely. PUSH PUSH PUSH! There's very little time to wait for a better hand. Odds are he'd bust out before seeing a card higher than his 10.
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:31 am GMT by UrAteUp
Nope...it's correct not to push. If it is bubble time and short stack pushes then he could put himself out of the tournament and out of the money. Even though his M is less then 2 he still has some chips. Sure it is a long shot that he will remain for much longer but I and many other posters on this forum have some amazing comeback stories where they were shortstacked and came back and won a tournament.
Most of the poker authors and players agree that when you become a short stack then you have to be more demanding in your starting hands and play them agressively usually pushing all-in preflop (and then say a prayer to the poker god...lol). Sure sometimes a short stack will push with any two cards and catch a lucky flop, but why put your fate in destiny when you can put it in odds?
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:03 am GMT by pokerbrat0582
he was the SB so he could afford to fold there b/c he woud get a few free hands to try to get 2 better cards. if he was BB i would say he should have pushed. i watched a rerun of the WSOP tourny of champions lastnight and Brunson was short stack and waited for a better hand to go all in with( i dont remember if he folded a blind though).
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:12 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
guys which part of "Its heads-up" u didnt understand ?
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:14 am GMT by TxShadow
| Jernej Zorec wrote: | | guys which part of "Its heads-up" u didnt understand ? |
My thoughts exactly. 
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:16 am GMT by TxShadow
It's either push with this hand or the next. I think I'd take my chances with the T high.
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:16 am GMT by UrAteUp
| TxShadow wrote: | | Jernej Zorec wrote: | | guys which part of "Its heads-up" u didnt understand ? |
My thoughts exactly. |
 ...opps. I must not have caught that part. Heads up I still say try to stick around for the best hand you can push with but with a M of 2 it won't be long.
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:19 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
well next hand u'll have 150 left and u are in BB so u pay 100, and have 50 left, at least now u may have a chance your opponent folds although its slim
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:22 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
Guys...
HE HAS TWO BIG BLINDS LEFT, AND IT'S HEADS UP. HOLY CRAP.
I push every day of the week there, twice on Sundays, and if you say fold, you are wrong. Ten high is more than good enough. I'm pushing damn near anything at that point.
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:23 pm GMT by Soup_dog
push push push. At this point you HAVE to rely on luck to put you back into the game.
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:56 pm GMT by Johny
Push any two cards! How could someone possibly fold?
In this situation in live play I move-in dark.
PUSH! PUSH! PUSH! PUSH!
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:02 pm GMT by arras
So, if he waits two hands and hits pocket aces and doubles up he still only has 100 in chips? push every hand and hope to get enough chips to actually do damage.
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:49 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
When my M is less than 5 and it's heads up, I push every hand in the dark--it's better to take a gamble at this point, because when your M shrinks much below that, even doubling up won't bail you out much.
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:22 pm GMT by snoogins47
| Hurricane Ham wrote: | | HE HAS TWO BIG BLINDS LEFT, AND IT'S HEADS UP. HOLY CRAP. |
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:31 pm GMT by Geno
If he let himself gradually get that low (eg he didn't go all-in 5500 chips vs 5700 chips) then he should fold himself to nothing, be put in a bag and beaten with reeds.
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:00 am GMT by Nito
SCEZ IS NOT TELLING THE STORY CORRECTLY!
HE HAS 25 CHIPS COMMITED TO THE POT IN THE SB LOOKING DOWN AT 42o. (I was looking at his cards) His stack is closer to 300. (For the record Aaron it was 2 blacks, 2 greens, a couple blues, and 1 red  , and they were playing 25/50)
If he shoves he getting called 100%, if he folds he has a chance to see a couple more better hands which he did. Two hands later he got A8o and then shoved, the other guy called with 48o, and flopped two pair. (Unlucky)
Hey Aaron if I took your advice, Heda woulda won that tourney where I came back when he had double what I did, and you would of won that tourney where you had more then double my stack. Lidar did the right move, he has a better chance of winning by waiting for a better hand which he did, and folding 42o.
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:15 am GMT by Hurricane Ham
So because he won the tournament, it means he did the right move by folding.
Ok, just checking....
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..........*sigh*
Though with 6BB left, I may fold ONE small blind to wait for a better hand. That's about it. If my opponent is a stupid tightass heads up player, I'm in with any hand, and pray I got live cards.
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:53 pm GMT by Nito
Yes, in that situation it was the RIGHT thing to do.
His opponent, like I said was calling a shove 100% with any two card.
Why risk it all on a 42o when you fold the sb, and see a couple more hands.
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:59 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Is this some kind of lovers quarrel thread?...
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:06 pm GMT by Johny
May as well give up, we aren't getting the point across.
Wait, I'll give it one for try: as Snoogins put it so simply
PUSH! SHUT UP AND PUSH! DO IT NOW! PUSH! PUSH I SAY, DO IT! PUSH!
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:01 pm GMT by pokerbrat0582
sorry i did miss that it was heads up!! my bad!! yeah he should be pushing everyhand he can to double his stack!! sorry!!!!
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:32 pm GMT by Nito
No.
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:33 pm GMT by Nito
6BB equates to 12 hands. Out of 12 hands you can afford to fold 2-4SB, especially with 3-7 high.
SB not BB.
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:08 pm GMT by scez
My point is also that in heads up, any two live cards are good. Just like how he ended up getting beat by a worse cards, the same can easily have happened to him when he had horrible cards. Also, the time you beat me when I had double your stack is that I had A,10 and you had K,7. You kinda proofed my point that you do not have to have a great hand to win in heads up because you are only playing one person. And I am sure the blinds were 50/100 because I remember it took awhile to get heads up.
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