Posted Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:25 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
I had a big argument with someone with superior poker knowledge than I have, but I still think I am correct. The situation goes as follows:
This is a 2$ MTT, my table is highly agressive and I only 'fear' one player at the table because I've played with him previously and seen him make some good moves in this tourny. Everyone else at the table I consider average-decent players with regards to how I've seen them play.
PokerStars Game #4578033210: Tournament #22380270, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2006/04/09 - 22:44:21 (ET)
Table '22380270 72' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: jeffro27 (112349 in chips)
Seat 2: LeafsFan1122 (49019 in chips)
Seat 3: Peak01 (161763 in chips)
Seat 4: gkearneyca (37026 in chips)
Seat 6: 1bren (259832 in chips)
Seat 7: lilvisa (150201 in chips)
Seat 8: DaphneT (57131 in chips)
jeffro27: posts the ante 300
LeafsFan1122: posts the ante 300
Peak01: posts the ante 300
gkearneyca: posts the ante 300
1bren: posts the ante 300
lilvisa: posts the ante 300
DaphneT: posts the ante 300
LeafsFan1122: posts small blind 3000
Peak01: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LeafsFan1122  
gkearneyca: folds
1bren: folds
lilvisa: raises 6000 to 12000
I have seen this player make the dreaded minimum raise (around this position) with a variety of crap hands ranging from 22-K9. At this point I'm considering the all in if the other two players fold.
DaphneT: folds
jeffro27: folds
It comes to me and a few things run through my mind.
1) I probably have him beat
2) It's a large enough raise for him to fold to a re-raise
3) If I pass on this oppourtunity, I may not have another good one until I'm broke in this tournament. I am aware that my M is below 5, which is the AIOF strategy, so I push.
LeafsFan1122: raises 36719 to 48719 and is all-in
Peak01: folds
lilvisa: calls 36719
*** FLOP ***   
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LeafsFan1122: shows (high card Ace)
lilvisa: shows   (a pair of Tens)
lilvisa collected 105538 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 105538 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: jeffro27 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: LeafsFan1122 (small blind) showed and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: Peak01 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: gkearneyca folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 1bren folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: lilvisa showed and won (105538) with a pair of Tens
Seat 8: DaphneT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
The argument goes like this.
I say that the move was good. (Obviously bad result however.) Opposition claims that I could have waited for a better hand to move all in with, and that 40k while not being a huge stack, is still enough to work with. Given the read I had, I figured that the oppourtunity taken would work, either giving me a 60-40 race, coinflip, or maybe he'd fold.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Could I be missing a key peice of information about my situation? What would you do?
Thanks.
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Posted Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:16 pm GMT by Phil14312
IF you think that his min-raise signifies a mediocre hand, then I agree with your move. You are getting low on chips, so you might not see another hand. I think the decision is close, but I would probably end up shoving too if I had a read like you had.
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:28 pm GMT by wizzwizz
I think with you read the hand was played fine. You knew you had the opponent beaten so it was a good all in. Your M was under 5 leaving you really had no choice. The key thing was you had a read and followed through with it, and you were correct. If you didn't mention that you knew the played had weak holdings then this play could be considered questionable but the fact that you had a solid read makes this play fine. In some scenarios it is correct to wait but here you played it right and got unlucky. Better luck next time 8) .
Posted Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:43 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I think your move was ok, and I've made moves like this before--I'm not sure whether you needed to put that much of your stack in, however, but I hardly call it a poor move. Certainly, his call with KT was MUCH poorer than pushing in with A-high. With position I'd probably just call right here and see what happens on the flop, but in the blinds I think I do prefer the re-raise or fold, and I don't see too many other raises you can make with your stack.
Overall, I agree that you are correct in the argument. After all, you got your money in with the best hand.
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:58 am GMT by Muck
I think the move had squeeze value too. Your all-in was a re-raise so gave a strong image of strength to reduce the likelihood that you’d picked up another caller. On top of that lilvisa had Peak01 covered so he’s unlikely to call fearing another raise.
Could you have waited? Maybe, but maybe this situation was what you were waiting for. You read it right and I’m surprised the guy made the call when he wasn’t pot committed, even with the nice pot odds on offer.
Think of it this way, if the guy had folded you’d have increased your stack by 40%.
Posted Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:18 am GMT by BeerWench13
I agree with everyone who posted. You made a good read and went with it. The only alternative was a fold. You took the aggressive route and, lilvisa should have folded that hand, IMO. It's a shame that it resulted in the end of your tournament. You got your money in with the better hand.
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