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Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:53 am GMT by KingOHearts
Interested in opinions. Thanks. 25NL and I just sat down so not a lot of reads.
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, April 30, 08:49:44 ET 2006
Table Table 98379 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Setric ( $28.06 )
Seat 2: Boardriderz ( $23.10 )
Seat 4: fzilco ( $26.25 )
Seat 5: jessica9898 ( $5.95 )
Seat 7: nordstrom914 ( $29.70 )
Seat 8: ScottieZee ( $17.73 )
Seat 9: robertgida ( $6.65 )
Seat 10: wsxcvbn ( $51.86 )
Seat 3: ADK_Rick ( $25.55 )
Seat 6: rogerjdfad ( $8.65 )
Boardriderz posts small blind $0.10.
ADK_Rick posts big blind $0.25.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ADK_Rick K A
fzilco raises $1.
Everyone folds to me in the BB.
ADK_Rick ?
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Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:34 am GMT by Johny
I flat call here for two reasons. You're out of position plus the fact you can hide the strenght of your hand.
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:51 am GMT by tame_deuces
He has two cards, most likely two pretty ok ones. And I call.
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:30 am GMT by KingOHearts
OK...cool. I was wondering if there were any schools of thought for a raise, but I didnt think so for exactly the two reasons given above, so....
ADK_Rick calls $0.75.
** Dealing Flop ** Q 7 K
ADK_Rick ? Pot is ~$2.00
Check or bet....
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:14 pm GMT by Phil14312
Player-dependent...
LAG, check/raise the flop.
Standard player I probably bet here.
What I really don't want to do is get trapped here against a big hand, when I'm OOP.
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:38 pm GMT by KingOHearts
OK...I am pretty new to the table so I have no reads available. I elect to check here, and here is why...
I can continue to disguise the strength of my hand
I can learn just as much about my opponent's hand by seeing how he reacts to my check as if I bet, and it is cheaper. Well, maybe the information is not quite as reliable...I am interested in dissenting opinions here.
ADK_Rick checks.
fzilco bets $1.40.
ADK_Rick ? Pot is ~$3.50
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:58 pm GMT by Tadzio
Raise to 4.00. The only hand I'm worried about is KQ, if he has something other than KQ (AK, AQ, 2 ), he'll probably just call. If he has KQ (or the longshot set), it'll take some discipline and a desire to get sucked out on for him to do anything other than raise. If he was just stealing, he'll probably fold, but that's okay 'cause your hand should be avoiding a showdown anyway.
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:51 pm GMT by tutubird
I really don't think he has KQ because if he did, I don't think he'd bet $1.40. Maybe KJ or even AQ. I would raise here.
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:21 pm GMT by KingOHearts
OK...this relatively weak bet tells me one of two things, depending on what type of player he is. Since I dont know, and since we are on a 25NL table, I never assume fancy play unless someone proves me wrong.
So I say he is weak....maybe he caught part of this flop but I dont think he is strong. So
ADK_Rick raises $3.80.
fzilco calls $2.40.
** Dealing Turn ** J
ADK_Rick ? Pot is ~$9.70
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:32 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Raise. Almost no question about it.
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:05 pm GMT by Tadzio
Pot bet. No reason to disguise your hand anymore, and you may represent enough hands that beat him that he won't want to test you. I'm looking to take the pot down right now.
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:39 pm GMT by KingOHearts
I loved the Jack when it hit, now I have extra outs to the nut straight. I am gonna pot it now and take it down.
ADK_Rick bets $9.
fzilco is all-In $21.45
ADK_Rick ?
Why did he like that J so much? Or has he been slow playing a set the whole time? Lets stop and think here...I have TPTK. I make it 50% I have the best hand already, based on a combination of probability that he either has a slightly weaker hand or is just plain bluffing. If he has a set I have 2 Ks and 4 Ts for outs except for the unlikely event he has KK. If he has AT he already has the nut straight but that seems quite unlikely give the preflop and subsequent action. If he has 2-pair I have 3 As for outs, if his 2-pair dont include a K I have 2 more outs there...plus 4 outs for the nut straight. I am actually beginning to suspect he has AK too. What the hell does he have?
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:33 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Yech. At this point in the hand, Two Pair and the nut straight are both very legitimate possibilities. If you call and you're right, you're a genius, but if you call and lose, you're a donkey... that's what I call a marginal situation.
I think it depends really on what the probabilities are the opponent has a particular type of hand. The only sets I can reliably see him having are with KK and QQ, unless he is VERY stubborn with JJ. AT is another possibility, but again he would have to be stubborn to hang on to this after you raised on the flop (he's only about 4-to-1, and even if he thinks the Ace is live, this call is incorrect). I'd rate the possibilites or a set or a straight at no more than 20%, and that's being generous.
Two pair is much more likely, and the most likely holdings for this are KQ, KJ, or QJ. KQ I'd say is the least likely, since he didn't re-raise on the flop. KJ on the other hand fits the way he played this hand perfectly, especially K J . I'd say there's at least a 30% chance he has KJ here.
You're getting a little more than 2-to-1 on your call if I'm reading the math right. Will you win this pot more than 1/3 of the time do you think by making this call?
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:55 pm GMT by KingOHearts
Diamond...an excellent excellent analysis. Pretty much what I came up with, though I assigned a little too much probability to the fact that he might not have anything at all. In the end, I used up my thinking time, and feeling a little frisky I called.
ADK_Rick is all-In $11.75
** Dealing River ** T
ADK_Rick shows K A a straight, ten to ace.
fzilco shows Q J two pairs, queens and jacks.
fzilco wins $0.70 from side pot #1 with two pairs, queens and jacks.
ADK_Rick wins $48.65 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.
So I guess I am a genius. 
So the call was marginal, I made it, and caught my out. I would have felt a little worse if I had sucked out on KQ, but I figure if you open a pot under the gun with QJs you are taking your chances, plus he called the flop re-reraise with 2nd pair.
Now for the real reason for the post. A few hands later I look down and see JJ, I make it a buck and he insta-calls me, everyone else folds. The flop comes comes 678 with two suited cards. I am OOP again, I make a pot size bet and he instantly triples my bet. I think for a second and lay down my hooks. Now...this is a pretty weak play, especially since he might just be tilting. However, my spidey sense was tingling and I just didnt feel like taking a chance giving back my ill-gotten booty just yet.
After I lay them down I make a good natured comment like "Gonna let you have that one ". A few minutes go by before I get my response. which is simply, and I quote, "Blow me Rick". Then he begins to vent on my poor play.
So...was it a horrible call? I think not. Marginal, maybe even poor...but not disgusting. As it turns out I had a lot of outs....3 As, 2Ks, and 4Ts. So I was looking for comments on that. Thanks to all for the good insight.
Posted Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:21 pm GMT by tame_deuces
/Drunk ramblin/
Never mind the f*s at the table. 99% of the poker population is clueless, and most of the rest are donks who just happened to stumble onparts of the truth somewhere along the way.
/end drunk ramblin/
Well, I'm out...I just tried for 2 minutes to locate the 'u' key on my keyboard. Damn, I hope that crap I got served at the 'afterparty' was just gin.
Posted Mon May 01, 2006 12:07 am GMT by suitedaces84
You also forgot to put around drunkin rambling. The magical internet code that makes everything look pretty didn't work.
Posted Mon May 01, 2006 12:47 am GMT by Tadzio
haha. I'm drunk too, but I'm not playin' poker with any of you nobs!
You did okay king o' hearts. I wouldn't have put him on QJ, so if you put him on that, y'did well. I was thinkin' weaker or stronger... and either way I wanted to take it down on the turn. You showed some good guts to call his all-in. Grats.
Posted Mon May 01, 2006 1:02 pm GMT by Phil14312
I think he was messing with you on the JJ hand. But, it'll take your whole stack to find out.
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