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Posted Thu May 04, 2006 10:07 am GMT by Hurricane Ham
Either on the turn, or the river? More specifically the river, as I couldn't really see him having any other hand besides a bigger flush.
Just sat down, fourth hand in, no reads, mixing it up early as usual.
PokerStars Game #4829759371: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/04 - 10:39:14 (ET)
Table 'Munoz' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: tatytatoo ($16.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Pandochat ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: ADub Ace ($28.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Nanook1231 ($15.30 in chips)
Seat 7: JBalkenende ($46.25 in chips)
Seat 8: HurricaneHam ($25.15 in chips)
Seat 9: holdemPrince ($6.50 in chips)
tatytatoo: posts small blind $0.10
Pandochat: posts big blind $0.25
bobj5000: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HurricaneHam  
ADub Ace: folds
Nanook1231: folds
JBalkenende: folds
HurricaneHam: raises $0.50 to $0.75
holdemPrince: calls $0.75
tatytatoo: folds
Pandochat: calls $0.50
*** FLOP ***   
Pandochat: checks
HurricaneHam: bets $1.50
holdemPrince: folds
Pandochat: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** 
Pandochat: checks
HurricaneHam: bets $3
Pandochat: raises $3 to $6 little worried at this point very few hands play this way except a bigger flush but cmon i got a straight flush draw!
HurricaneHam: calls $3
*** RIVER *** 
Pandochat: bets $16.75 and is all-in
GGissing has returned
HurricaneHam: ???
Damn, whiff the straight flush. He seems pretty damn confident in his hand. I can't really see a 4 playing it this aggressively on the river, so he must have a higher flush, right? Something like A  X , where X>10 since he called a decent sized flop bet, possibly thinking his overs were good. Is this an easy fold for most people and I just struggle with easy decisions?
Any thoughts on the hand in general? Bet more on the flop?
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Posted Thu May 04, 2006 10:59 am GMT by TxShadow
Given the action, I don't really see what cards he could be holding for the straight. 
If he flopped anything good (top pair, two pair, set) or had an overpair, you'd think he would get more aggresive on the flop with 2 to a suit on board.
I think you're either up against a better flush or a bluff.
Situations like this are one of the reasons I don't play NL.
Posted Thu May 04, 2006 11:25 am GMT by BeerWench13
| TxShadow wrote: | | Given the action, I don't really see what cards he could be holding for the straight. |
44 maybe?
| TxShadow wrote: | | I think you're either up against a better flush or a bluff. |
Possibly. If he has the nut flush, he's not very bright. I would expect a value bet instead of a push with the nuts. I would say he either has a straight, a set, possibly a weak flush (doubtful, IMO) or he doesn't know what a value bet is.
Posted Thu May 04, 2006 11:34 am GMT by TxShadow
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | TxShadow wrote: | | Given the action, I don't really see what cards he could be holding for the straight. |
44 maybe? |
True, 44 is a possibility.
| BeerWench13 wrote: |
| TxShadow wrote: | | I think you're either up against a better flush or a bluff. |
Possibly. If he has the nut flush, he's not very bright. I would expect a value bet instead of a push with the nuts. I would say he either has a straight, a set, possibly a weak flush (doubtful, IMO) or he doesn't know what a value bet is. |
I was thinking the same thing. If he does have it, that is an odd bet.
Posted Thu May 04, 2006 12:18 pm GMT by Cricket_Fire
| TxShadow wrote: | | BeerWench13 wrote: | | TxShadow wrote: | | Given the action, I don't really see what cards he could be holding for the straight. |
44 maybe? |
True, 44 is a possibility.
| BeerWench13 wrote: |
| TxShadow wrote: | | I think you're either up against a better flush or a bluff. |
Possibly. If he has the nut flush, he's not very bright. I would expect a value bet instead of a push with the nuts. I would say he either has a straight, a set, possibly a weak flush (doubtful, IMO) or he doesn't know what a value bet is. |
I was thinking the same thing. If he does have it, that is an odd bet. |
But wouldn't that makeit a good bet? Since you guys are thinking he has a straight, set, etc, maybe that's what he was going for?
Posted Thu May 04, 2006 12:39 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Cricket_Fire wrote: | | But wouldn't that makeit a good bet? Since you guys are thinking he has a straight, set, etc, maybe that's what he was going for? |
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | he doesn't know what a value bet is. |
He's unlikely to get a call here. So, no, not really. If he's holding the nuts, it is a tricky bet, but not one that will extract more money (value) from his opponent unless he's up against the 2nd nuts. By the way the hand played, I would've put Ham on a straight or an overpair if I were him. I think the check/raise on the turn was to see if he could take the pot right there. When Ham just called, I think he knew he had to bet big to get him out of the pot on the river.
If it's a bluff or he's holding a straight or set, it's an excellent bet. It's just not a good bet to gain more value as even a lower flush is likely to fold. Sometimes the overbet does work because it seems like a big bluff, but in this situation, it's more likely to cause Ham to fold, not put more money into the pot.
Posted Thu May 04, 2006 12:54 pm GMT by Cricket_Fire
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | Cricket_Fire wrote: | | But wouldn't that makeit a good bet? Since you guys are thinking he has a straight, set, etc, maybe that's what he was going for? |
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | he doesn't know what a value bet is. |
He's unlikely to get a call here. So, no, not really. If he's holding the nuts, it is a tricky bet, but not one that will extract more money (value) from his opponent unless he's up against the 2nd nuts. By the way the hand played, I would've put Ham on a straight or an overpair if I were him. I think the check/raise on the turn was to see if he could take the pot right there. When Ham just called, I think he knew he had to bet big to get him out of the pot on the river.
If it's a bluff or he's holding a straight or set, it's an excellent bet. It's just not a good bet to gain more value as even a lower flush is likely to fold. Sometimes the overbet does work because it seems like a big bluff, but in this situation, it's more likely to cause Ham to fold, not put more money into the pot. |
Ah, good explanation, thanks
Posted Thu May 04, 2006 12:56 pm GMT by TxShadow
| Cricket_Fire wrote: | | But wouldn't that makeit a good bet? Since you guys are thinking he has a straight, set, etc, maybe that's what he was going for? |
I'm just saying it would be an odd bet. I wouldn't think overbetting here and risking a 2nd best hand folding would be the best play.
Posted Thu May 04, 2006 12:57 pm GMT by TxShadow
Blah, Wenchie beat me to it. 
Posted Thu May 04, 2006 4:21 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
His flop and turn play smells like a flush, but I agree that the river play was curious. Didn't seem right to bet that much with the nuts, unless he expected me to call with a lot of holdings.
Curiosity got the best of me, and I made the call. Sadly, he flipped AhQh, frankly I wasn't very surprised, and quite upset with myself for calling. Hands like these are why I am a poor no limit player. All too often I'm on the wrong side of the coin with these calls.
Posted Thu May 04, 2006 4:42 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Hurricane Ham wrote: | | Curiosity got the best of me |
If I had a dime for every time I've looked someone up because I either just had to know what the hell they were playing or wanted to know if my read was right... well, I wouldn't be playing $.10/.25 with free $50 from PP.
I was assuming you folded. 
Posted Thu May 04, 2006 5:18 pm GMT by BBQSquirrel
I've seen Pandochat play before
He's a solid player......when he bets he has something..
I guess i should've told you earlier......
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