Washington State bans Online Gambling. |
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Posted Sun May 07, 2006 2:00 am GMT by Implied_Odds
They say you can go to prison for up to 10 years for playing poker online in your own home (WTF). That sucks because I am now living in Bremerton WA. I'm in the Navy and live on the boat BTW. I've been playing at the B & M casino's and now just lately I decided I wanted to buy a personal laptop and convert to online poker using the governments free wireless internet. I want to do this because its a lot cheaper and the down swings of poker won't burn a hole in my wallett like it has lately.
But now, I think I might re-consider. If I'm on the government's internet connection; they can monitor it and know I'm gambling online. If I had my own internet, I might be all right. Well, I don't know. What do you think I should do?
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Posted Sun May 07, 2006 8:36 am GMT by ORGrinder
i've not heard about this law and i'm pretty close to WA. i watch NWCN all the time and haven't seen anything about this at all.
that said, you're right. if you're on a govt. line, you'll not want to be playing. i've heard of guys getting the boot for lesser evils even than breaking a stupid poker playing law. if the navy is your career (or at the very least your current form of employment).... best to not rock that boat.
get a private connection or call it quits for a while until you get the full scoop on this new, aparently retarded, law.
Posted Sun May 07, 2006 12:08 pm GMT by greathuskie
if youre military dont play
if not, they wont waste the manpower in trying to convict you simply for that
private organizations like RIAA would, but the government wouldnt
Posted Sun May 07, 2006 1:15 pm GMT by Phil14312
"Illegal online gambling doesn't just hurt gamblers and their families, it hurts the economy by draining dollars from the United States and serves as a vehicle for money laundering. It is time to shine a bright light on theses illegal sites and bring a quick end to illegal gambling on the Internet and I applaud the Judiciary Committee for holding a hearing on this important legislation." - Bob Goodlatte (R) from Virginia
- from an article on ESPN.com
1) first sentence is classic
2) why don't the lawmakers see that regulating and taxing a $12B industry is better than an outright ban? So what if B&M casinos are lobbying against it, can't these guys start their own online casinos with the big-name power of the large vegas casinos?
Its crap is what it is.
Oh sorry this is about the national bill right now in the House, not really Washington, but its relevant.
Posted Sun May 07, 2006 1:31 pm GMT by Implied_Odds
http://www.launchpoker.com/news/05032006/3050_washington-state-passes-anti-online-poker-laws.html
Posted Sun May 07, 2006 6:42 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
Guys
we need to form an online poker lobby
and we need to do it in about six months
Posted Mon May 08, 2006 1:20 am GMT by Phil14312
Cardplayer has got a pretty nice section on it. I even filled out the automated "send e-mail to your congressman." It takes 5 minutes, everyone should.
Posted Mon May 08, 2006 8:36 am GMT by UrAteUp
"sigh" more ways for our government to take away our freedom of choice. I agree with the mass here. Why don't the US government allow some of the major Casinos a chance to form online gambling. The CC or money routing service could pratically guarantee the player is of age or at least has parental consent. So why not regulate this avenue and make it available to the American public?
Phil...thanks for the link. I took the time to make my voice heard.
Posted Mon May 08, 2006 10:10 am GMT by ORGrinder
there is a lobby group already... they want $$ to join (is it always like that or are they just taking advantage?).
here's the link - http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org./
apparently if you join through cardplayers website you get a $5 break on membership ($15 instead of $20).
here's that link: http://capwiz.com/keep_it_legal/issues/alert/?alertid=8637406
i've not joined yet... but considering this latest in retarded lawmaking... i suppose i may have to.
Posted Mon May 08, 2006 11:35 am GMT by TxShadow
| Phil14312 wrote: | | Cardplayer has got a pretty nice section on it. I even filled out the automated "send e-mail to your congressman." It takes 5 minutes, everyone should. |
I just did this as well. They make it quick and easy; everyone should do this.
Posted Mon May 08, 2006 4:01 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Screw the feds and their supporters...Anarchy rules and so does poker. Death to those who oppose us....  
Posted Mon May 08, 2006 4:16 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
I have to admit I probably wouldn't care if online poker went *poof* tomorrow. Living close to a major gambling center gives me that luxury, I guess.
Posted Mon May 08, 2006 5:06 pm GMT by supafrey
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | I have to admit I probably wouldn't care if online poker went *poof* tomorrow. Living close to a major gambling center gives me that luxury, I guess. |
die.
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 11:29 am GMT by TxShadow
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | I have to admit I probably wouldn't care if online poker went *poof* tomorrow. Living close to a major gambling center gives me that luxury, I guess. |
Are you still on hiatus? 
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 12:15 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
That launchpoker article isn't enuf for me...can anybody dig up an article about this from a real news service...or maybe even from WA state's website?
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 12:21 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| TxShadow wrote: | | Are you still on hiatus? |
That's the other reason I wouldn't care.
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 12:42 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Here it is, Sid.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2005&bill=6613
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 12:51 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
thanks wench 
more outlawed peaceful activities...wonderful...i love how the bill says "uhh, this doesnt apply to our lottery commission"....so hypocritical
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 12:53 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Well, naturally. It's all about the money. If they had a way to regulate it, they wouldn't ban it, they'd endorse it. 
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 3:09 pm GMT by ORGrinder
anyone know if/how they (whoever "they" is) could tell you played online?
i don't know the details of the bill/law... but unless it's illegal to deposit money at an online poker site, i'm not sure they could prove anything.
by this i mean, if it's illegal to deposit money... then since most of us are using a US middle man (e.g. neteller), they could subpoena their records and prove me made a deposit to an online casino.
however, if that's not the language in the law... then simple net traffic isn't enough to determine what, exactly, you were doing online... right? i mean an offshore company wouldn't be bound by a US subpoena so they wouldn't have to release any betting info to the US... and just because a person shows network activity on the isp logs from an online casino doesn't mean they actually placed any bets.
just a thought... but i'm not legal or tech expert. thoughts?
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 3:15 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I know I'm going to sound like a horrible conspiracy theorist here, but do you really think that what you do on the net is not monitored at some point or another. I don't mean THE MAN is watching you every minute of every day you're logged on, but you have to know, especially since the Patriot (spy on our own) Act was established that nothing you do can be done without someone, somewhere in our government, having knowledge of it or the ability to gain that knowledge.
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 3:21 pm GMT by TxShadow
| ORGrinder wrote: | anyone know if/how they (whoever "they" is) could tell you played online?
i don't know the details of the bill/law... but unless it's illegal to deposit money at an online poker site, i'm not sure they could prove anything.
by this i mean, if it's illegal to deposit money... then since most of us are using a US middle man (e.g. neteller), they could subpoena their records and prove me made a deposit to an online casino.
however, if that's not the language in the law... then simple net traffic isn't enough to determine what, exactly, you were doing online... right? i mean an offshore company wouldn't be bound by a US subpoena so they wouldn't have to release any betting info to the US... and just because a person shows network activity on the isp logs from an online casino doesn't mean they actually placed any bets.
just a thought... but i'm not legal or tech expert. thoughts? |
From what I understand, this bill would make it the financial institution's responsibility to police unauthorized transfers of funds. This would mean you couldn't make a deposit with your bank's credit card, bank card, a check, etc. Also, if companies like Netteller are US based, I would assume that they would be held accountable as well.
Of course I'm sure that there will be ways around it. For instance, I'm sure that there will be (if there's not already a multitude of them) plenty of offshore 3rd party companies that will act as "middle-man" to transfer funds into a poker account for you. Keep in mind though, if there was a significant reduction of ways to get money into your online poker account, there wouldn't be as much competition. Consequently, it would probably start costing us more, and be more of a hastle to get money into our accounts.
I really don't see that there would be a foolproof way to stop people from playing online poker, but the fact that the government would possibly be able to sieze your funds, fine you, or even put you in jail for playing would be bad enough.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 9:28 pm GMT by blahblah
damn, im in WA state and im playing right now...............
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