Posted Wed May 10, 2006 3:16 pm GMT by Johny
This is my first hand at the table. I'm not always sure what to do in situations like this.
PokerStars Game #4891842469: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/10 - 16:09:14 (ET)
Table 'Celuta II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Danimal04 ($17.40 in chips)
Seat 3: chasix ($44.70 in chips)
Seat 4: Project wise ($35.15 in chips)
Seat 5: gcn2001 ($5.45 in chips)
Seat 6: L H K ($20.20 in chips)
Seat 7: capaneo ($26.85 in chips)
Seat 8: Gold Chicago ($11.45 in chips)
Seat 9: Johny4455 ($25 in chips)
Gold Chicago: posts small blind $0.10
Johny4455: posts big blind $0.25
Jeffer71: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johny4455 9  9 
Danimal04: folds
chasix: folds
Project wise: folds
gcn2001: folds
L H K: folds
capaneo: raises $0.75 to $1
Gold Chicago: folds
Johny4455: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** K 6  K
Johny4455: checks
capaneo: bets $1
Johny4455: ?
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Posted Wed May 10, 2006 3:42 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Fold. You took a stab at hitting a set and missed. Time to give it up.
Posted Wed May 10, 2006 4:08 pm GMT by greathuskie
raise. what happens when someone checks before you? you bet to try and take the pot. 7.5/10 times you are ahead in this hand. the other 2.5 you need a 2 outer to win.
he made a legitimate blind steal from the button with probably Ax or mid pair. and when you showed weakness on the flop he bet. RAISE!!
Posted Wed May 10, 2006 6:33 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Soup_dog wrote: | | Fold. You took a stab at hitting a set and missed. Time to give it up. |
You're kidding. We are ahead of a LOT of hands here, and I am not giving this one up without raising to get some information out of our villain here.
If all we were waiting for was a set, we made a gross error in calling pre-flop. That was actually a pretty good flop for us.
Posted Wed May 10, 2006 6:44 pm GMT by zinn0
| Soup_dog wrote: | | Fold. You took a stab at hitting a set and missed. Time to give it up. |
I'm not so sure I agree with this line of thinking. Looking back at Diamonds post I agree with much of what he said.
A bet of half the pot doesn't really scare me. It may be a continuation bet from AQ, AJ, etc...
Diamond was right when he said this wasn't neccesarily a bad flop for us. Raise.
Posted Wed May 10, 2006 7:10 pm GMT by TxShadow
I agree with zinn0 and Diamond. Raise it up here. Chances of a K are unlikely and a raise will either win the pot right here, let us know where we stand, or if villian calls a raise, let us re-evaluate on the turn. No reason to throw it away or call here.
Posted Wed May 10, 2006 8:47 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Yeah..take a stab. If you don't stab on pots like these, then PPs against raises has almost no value (sets alone doesn't cut it).
Besides, he might fold a better hand than yours.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 5:08 am GMT by Johny
I wasn't folding on the flop, but I wasn't sure if I sould just call or raise. With his small bet, I thought he was either very strong ( a king or JJ-QQ) or weak ( something like a small pair or AQ/ AJ). By raising I'm probably only being called by a hand the beats me, or am I way off here? If I have the best hand, what about letting him do the betting? I'm no sure about this to tell you the truth.
Results: Hero call $1 on the flop. The turn came a 4. Hero checks, villain bets $2. What now?
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 6:29 am GMT by zinn0
You have to raise. Calling down does not help you at all.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 11:09 am GMT by Soup_dog
I see what all of you are saying, and I understand your logic, but I would fold it anyway. 99 is NOT that strong of a hand and he raised preflop 3xBB. There are a lot of ways you are beat, and by calling or raising on the flop you are just going to end up getting into harder and harder choices by the time the river hits.
I would rather save my money for the monster hands and get them all in then. (But I have a lot to learn and this may be a big weakness in my game.)
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 1:03 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Soup_dog wrote: | | 99 is NOT that strong of a hand and he raised preflop 3xBB. |
He raised 3x the BB from the button after everyone had folded to him. Villain doesn't need much of a hand to do this. Any A, any two Broadway cards, any PP (some lower than 99 even!), suited connectors. My initial reaction was why Johny didn't reraise preflop, but that wasn't what he was asking about. 99 is much much stronger in this spot than you're allowing.
| Soup_dog wrote: | | There are a lot of ways you are beat, and by calling or raising on the flop you are just going to end up getting into harder and harder choices by the time the river hits. |
Calling the flop makes a future street tougher to play, since there are a lot of cards that make us queasy on the turn. Raising gains information, and perhaps the pot, right away. Personally, I would've led this flop instead of a C/R (but again, that's not what he's asking about), but I think you *must* raise now. As others have pointed out, this is a good flop for 99.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 1:25 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Johny4444 wrote: | | Results: Hero call $1 on the flop. The turn came a 4. Hero checks, villain bets $2. What now? |
Raise. This card doesn't change anything. Lead the river if he calls. Fold to a reraise.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 4:47 pm GMT by Johny
I just flat called on the turn. I checked the river and he checked behind. He showed JJ. All in all I played this hand badly. I think my biggest problem was not re-raising pre-flop. I think Sean's suggestion made sense, raising the turn and leading the river.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 4:49 pm GMT by zinn0
Hmm...tough hand really. If I were villain, and I had JJ with that board, I would lean towards folding to any resistance.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 4:57 pm GMT by Johny
| zinn0 wrote: | | Hmm...tough hand really. If I were villain, and I had JJ with that board, I would lean towards folding to any resistance. |
I hadn't seen Villain play until then. I was content in seeing a cheap showdown to see what he had.
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