Posted Wed May 10, 2006 7:02 pm GMT by TxShadow
I've really been working on my limit game, but I decided to play some $50 NL. This is one of those times where I'm not sure if I should continue or not. Opinions are welcome.
Not a whole lot of time spent at table yet. Villain not getting too crazy. He is capable of showing aggresion when in position and when no one shows strength.
Hero: Shadowbok
Villain: Benny_16
***** Hand History for Game 4235734850 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 10, 19:28:42 ET 2006
Table Table 97518 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: a1ias1975 ( $51.97 )
Seat 2: ThBurgerKing ( $110.04 )
Seat 3: m_jenkins ( $46.80 )
Seat 5: Benny_16 ( $125.11 )
Seat 4: ShadowBok ( $41.60 )
Seat 6: beavrliquor ( $46.50 )
beavrliquor posts small blind $0.25.
a1ias1975 posts big blind $0.50.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ShadowBok 6 6
ThBurgerKing folds.
m_jenkins folds.
ShadowBok calls $0.50.
Benny_16 raises $2.
beavrliquor folds.
a1ias1975 folds.
ShadowBok calls $1.50.
** Dealing Flop ** Q 3 3 (pot = $4.75)
ShadowBok bets $3.
Benny_16 raises $7.
I bet $3 with my pair into a $4.75 pot. Villain makes it $7 to go. I have to call $4 to win $14.75 (immediate).
Assumptions: I'm either ahead here (no idea what % of the time this is the case) or I need a 6.
I'm about 10-1 of hitting a 6. I have $36 left vs. villain's $116. (Implied odds say no good?)
I don't put my opponent on the flush draw.
Definately don't put opponent on a 3.
Villain might do this whether he had a Q or not, but a Q is a reasonably likely holding.
Hero?
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Posted Wed May 10, 2006 7:36 pm GMT by Tadzio
If you think he has a Q, you should fold. There's no way to make money long-term calling this.
If you don't think he has a Q, you should raise. There's no one else in the pot and more than half the deck is a scare card for you (any diamond, and card higher than a 6 will hurt your long-term value).
A call gives you no value in this spot. If you call you
1) don't learn anything,
2) don't get any more money,
3) give your opponent the chance to suck out (assuming he's not already beating you),
4) have bad odds for improving
5) don't want to see any diamonds or any card above 6-- especially paint (i.e. more than half the deck is a scare card for you).
If I had no read, I'd give the guy credit for the Q and fold. If I had a read that told me he held 2 unpaired overs or a flush draw, I'd re-raise to... hm... probably all-in. Leaning towards a fold here, though.
Posted Wed May 10, 2006 7:37 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
There are plenty of hands that don't include a Q that he could have and still have us beat, namely the pairs 77-AA.
I think this is a pretty easy fold.
Posted Wed May 10, 2006 8:18 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Very easy fold here.
However, if the pair on the board is higher in situations like these, say a pair of tens or jacks - or mayhaps queens if you are feeling feisty - you can check/call flop and check-raise or donkbet turn against a opponent with fairly tight preflop hand selections (avoid pairs containing plausible cards in his raising ranges). He'll fold overcards quicker than you can say 'pot' plus you get a decent chance of making people fold an overpair in case you are behind in the hand.
I'm a big fan of combining bluffs/possible legitimate raises.
Don't overdo it...but its an ok move to add to ones arsenal. (remember it might not be a 'bluff' though :D).
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 7:30 am GMT by snoogins47
Why don't you put your opponent on a flush draw? It's about the only reasonable hand he could have that you're ahead of.
Anyway, here's the fun part: almost invariably, if your opponent is pure bluffing, you're not really even a massive favorite, and you have no real information (you're about 3:1 if his hand doesn't contain a 6, 5, 4, or 2.). If he's got a flush draw, you could even be slightly behind in the hand. If he has anything else that he could have, you're massively behind. There aren't really many hands he could have that would make a mistake if you push.
Run screaming, basically is what I'm saying.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 1:08 pm GMT by TxShadow
Here's the rest of it:
ShadowBok calls $4.
Oops 
** Dealing Turn ** 6
Heh.  This is gonna end in tears for somebody.
ShadowBok bets $6.
Benny_16 raises $35. 
ShadowBok calls and is all-In.
** Dealing River ** 5
Benny_16 shows T Q two pairs, queens and threes.
ShadowBok shows 6 6 a full house, Sixes full of threes.
Benny_16 wins $2.40 from side pot #1 with two pairs, queens and threes.
ShadowBok wins $80.95 from the main pot with a full house, Sixes full of
threes.
Thinking back on it, I'm really not sure how I justified calling that turn. I got very lucky that a 6 hit, but honestly I think I'm even luckier that he came over the top with his top pair 10 kicker. He obviously wasn't afraid of the diamonds either (not to mention anything else that could beat his vulnerable hand there). Anyone agree with villain's play in that spot?
I guess what it all boils down to is that I made a mistake and got rewarded for it. Glad I posted a resultless hand, though. The responses were more "definately fold" than I guess I thought they would be.
| snoogins47 wrote: | | Why don't you put your opponent on a flush draw? |
Good point, really. I guess it's not that I couldn't put him on one when he raised me, but I felt like he could have played this hand the same way with just a couple of overcards. He had been raising $2 pre just about any time he had 2 cards he wanted to play and consistantly following up with aggression on the flop. Didn't have enough hands to know if these follow-ups were him hitting or missing with any consistancy though.
After not playinig NL for a while, I feel like I'm back to where I was a year ago or so; not in the knowledge department, but with the uncomfortability. The nightmares of being constantly played into and having to fold have all resurfaced .
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