Posted Thu May 11, 2006 11:21 am GMT by Ciso_B
-----HAND 2------
Game #2333806734: Hold'em NL (£0.50/£1) - 2006/05/11 - 17:12:09 (GMT)
Table "Muck" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Narciso (£70 in chips)
Seat 2: Thenewman (£87.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Kul_M (£78.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Basher161 (£45.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Ie_cooer (£218.30 in chips)
Seat 6: speeler (£200.75 in chips)
Ie_cooer: posts small blind £0.50
speeler: posts big blind £1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Narciso  
Narciso: raises to £3
Thenewman: folds
Kul_M: folds
Basher161: folds
Ie_cooer: calls £2.50
speeler: folds
----- FLOP -----   
Ie_cooer: checks
Narciso: bets £3
Ie_cooer: calls £3
----- TURN ----- 
Ie_cooer: checks
Narciso: bets £3
Ie_cooer: calls £3
----- RIVER ----- 
Ie_cooer: bets £15
I played it a bit weird on the turn betting just 3, but i have nut flush draw and overpair, so i guess im trying to get in as much value , at this point i felt he was probably playing Q10,J 10 something like that, and just paying me off. Also, i thought the turn bet made him think i was weak and could take it away on river. What you think he got then ?
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Posted Thu May 11, 2006 11:29 am GMT by Soup_dog
ugh. Your nut flush draw requires runner runner so I wouldn't have factored that into your thought process on the flop. What you need to think about is that HE might have the flush draw.
With that flop I probably would have bet 9 and try to take it down right there.
His cold call on the turn and then big bet on the river is interesting. Was he trying to see if another diamond would kill his low flush? Did he pair his king on the flop and wanted to make sure an ace didn't hit? Tough choice. I think I think I think I think you should lay it down but I probably would have paid him off.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 11:31 am GMT by arras
I dont like the turn bet which I'm thinking is why he bet like that on the river. Either that or he has the flush. I think if you bet more on the turn you would be in a better situation, but I think I would fold to a very draw heavy board with only a pair.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 11:37 am GMT by supafrey
1. It's tough to say because of how odd the turn bet was. It's about 50/50 whether he has a hand or is just playing you. I'd flip a coin.
2. Soup, I'm gonna kill you if you don't become more confident one day.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 11:40 am GMT by Soup_dog
| supafrey wrote: |
2. Soup, I'm gonna kill you if you don't become more confident one day. |
LMAO. I know. I usually am a bit quick to fold to a big bet. It's funny, I have started to notice that I make the most money in a session when I call these kind of bets thinking I am going to lose, but remember what all of you in this forum have told me.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 11:52 am GMT by Ciso_B
I dont think my flop bet is that bad , 3 into 7 ish, the turn bet was unorthodox to say the least , but 15 on river, would he really bet so much with a flush doesnt make too much sense if he wants a call.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 12:01 pm GMT by Ensano
3$ into a 7$ ish pot with two to a flush on the board? aren't you just asking him to draw to it?....
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 12:07 pm GMT by Ciso_B
I can let go of my hand if it comes,and if he misses cos my bets looked weak he may feel he can take it away . I agree i played it a bit weird , =why i posted and i usually like to force an error on the part of my opponent but still,was more curious to see how many would call or fold on river.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 12:07 pm GMT by kompis
yeah he could have alot of hands, J 10 with one of spades is a possible hand he has, and alot of those types, K with spade etc. For me it has to be a call cos of the way u played it...... u play it like that to get value surely... so when u get it u cannot really pass can you. I call he has busted flush/perhaps flush and straight draw with a pair.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 12:19 pm GMT by zinn0
| supafrey wrote: | | 2. Soup, I'm gonna kill you if you don't become more confident one day. |
Not to hijack a thread or anything, but I agree with this wholeheartedly.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 12:33 pm GMT by Soup_dog
| zinn0 wrote: | | supafrey wrote: | | 2. Soup, I'm gonna kill you if you don't become more confident one day. |
Not to hijack a thread or anything, but I agree with this wholeheartedly. |
I'll become more confident when I stop blowing off my bankroll on a mad tilt and poor bankroll management. 
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 12:52 pm GMT by Soup_dog
| zinn0 wrote: | | supafrey wrote: | | 2. Soup, I'm gonna kill you if you don't become more confident one day. |
Not to hijack a thread or anything, but I agree with this wholeheartedly. |
So lets visit this statement. Are you saying I should have more confidence in my hand, in the face of a large bet?
Or that I should be more confident that I am making the right play? (More of general personality thing.)
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 12:55 pm GMT by supafrey
The first one.
Because alot of the time folding isn't the right play... and yet you do it. ^_^
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 12:57 pm GMT by Soup_dog
| supafrey wrote: | The first one.
Because alot of the time folding isn't the right play... and yet you do it. ^_^ |
Gotcha. Thats what I thought you meant. I have been trying to do a better job with that, and I do think I am making progress.
I think it has a lot to do with playing within my bankroll. If I am playing at the right limits I should be willing to make those calls and reload because my bankroll can handle it.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 1:22 pm GMT by zinn0
I say both.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 1:33 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
| Ciso_B wrote: | | Also, i thought the turn bet made him think i was weak and could take it away on river. |
So you got what you were looking for then. If you had planned it that way, why would you not call the river.
That being said, tis an interesting bet. Call on the flop could mean any number of hands, KX, middle/bottom pair with a gutshot, even QJ. I'm with sup, about 50/50 on this one, but leaning towards a call because I'm always so damn curious. Plus he's called two rather weak bets, so the chance he's stealing on the river is decent.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 1:40 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I am interested to see how this hand came out. Personally I probably would end up laying the hand down. I guess I am like Soup here...  (is that bad?)
I don't like the 3 post flop or the 3 turn bet. If you want information then 1/2-3/4 pot size bet. It's just like in the movies, if a cop wants info he has to pay for it.... 
Playing micro tables I see noobs (not saying your a noob Cisco..  ) who will have TPTK and they try slow playing it thinking they already have a nut hand. They don't realize they are giving the other players in this hand a great chance with drawing hands and then they complain about how lucky you are to have out drawn them. My belief is if I know I have the best hand then the rest of the suckers are going to pay dearly to see their next card...
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 3:34 pm GMT by kainARGH
total thread jack-
are you still playing limit at all soup , or you doing NL more these days?
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 3:56 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Anyway i made the call, and he flipped up A  10 , pretty weird bet by him imo. I mean his hand may be good so why bet so much on river, it must be a bluff on his part but the river didnt bring a scare card so i dont like his play so much. His bet is good i guess if he has me on Js or Qs but otherwise really strange by him.
I made a note on him though , clearly doesnt know what hes up to in this hand. Dont know what hand is weaker i can call so it cant be a value bet and any hand stronger i am likely to call, the way he played it i wouldnt put down AK here either. Weird hand played out tho eh.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 7:58 pm GMT by Soup_dog
| kainARGH wrote: | total thread jack-
are you still playing limit at all soup , or you doing NL more these days? |
I'm playing about 50/50. I'm really starting to enjoy limit. A nice switch from NL.
Posted Thu May 11, 2006 8:11 pm GMT by kainARGH
| Soup_dog wrote: | | kainARGH wrote: | total thread jack-
are you still playing limit at all soup , or you doing NL more these days? |
I'm playing about 50/50. I'm really starting to enjoy limit. A nice switch from NL. |
honestly , with the complete shit 3 weeks i had at my casino at there crappy lower stakes NL , Limit has been a godsend on my brain and my mental stability. Man , go read johhny's post about tilting in the general forums if you wanna see the kind of luck im STILL running at my local casinos 20$ NL.
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 7:08 am GMT by kingetje
| Quote: | | Playing micro tables I see noobs (not saying your a noob Cisco.. Smile ) who will have TPTK and they try slow playing it thinking they already have a nut hand. They don't realize they are giving the other players in this hand a great chance with drawing hands and then they complain about how lucky you are to have out drawn them. My belief is if I know I have the best hand then the rest of the suckers are going to pay dearly to see their next card... Laughing |
haha yeah...
SO many times i will see people check/calling with top pair top kicker in no limit... thats just so damn ridicluous!
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 2:53 pm GMT by snoogins47
I check-call with top pair in no limit, at least modestly frequently. I think ya'll are just too scared.
Anyway, I probably call the river, hoping for a random lone K, but that probably stems mostly from the line taken up to that point being so odd.
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 3:42 pm GMT by Johny
I "slowplay" top pair in NL on non-threatning boards. I actually do it quite often in cash games, I've more money with top pair that way.
Posted Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:53 pm GMT by MrDarling
| Ciso_B wrote: | | Anyway i made the call, and he flipped up A 10 , pretty weird bet by him imo. |
Well, you played the hand like you had middle pair or TP max. and you showed a lot of weakness, he though with a big bet he can scare you away. Problem is, he didn't place the bet right. If he wanted to scare you away, he should have checked-raise you on the turn.
The blank card on the river would not explain why the bet is so big. The only thing that might scare me is him holding a pocket 4.
I learned to not slowplay A's. I put a decent fre-plop bet, then unless something really scary comes on the board, I'll push a lot in hoping to win on the flop. If I get a set of A , I'll happily slow play that
Posted Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:42 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
| MrDarling wrote: | | Ciso_B wrote: | | Anyway i made the call, and he flipped up A 10 , pretty weird bet by him imo. |
The only thing that might scare me is him holding a pocket 4.
I learned to not slowplay A's. I put a decent fre-plop bet, then unless something really scary comes on the board, I'll push a lot in hoping to win on the flop. If I get a set of A , I'll happily slow play that |
Heh, fre-plop. Sorry, just found that to be a funny typo. And as for pocket 4's, I don't think that is likely at all considering how the action went.
I'd bet more on the flop and turn, but that has already been said.
Posted Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:14 am GMT by MrDarling
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | ...Heh, fre-plop. Sorry, just found that to be a funny typo. |
Yep, I'm pretty much the king of typo's and bad spelling. Luckily Safari take care of most of my miss-spelling .
but actually, coming to think about that, Free-Flop is almost what happened in this hand!
And as for the set of 4's. Like I said, that will be the only real card that will scare me with small chances that he actually has them
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