Posted Fri May 12, 2006 11:40 am GMT by kingetje
I called the pre-flop raise because EVERY hand someone raised it up to $.30.. it was getting pretty ridiculous
Cross Of Iron 8161583-46794 Holdem No Limit $0.05/$0.10
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : kingetje has $15.35
Seat 2 : DrzHubu has $7.42
Seat 3 : rocketteer has $13.86
Seat 4 : gazzahog has $3.87
Seat 6 : blondyAAs has $2.30
gazzahog is the dealer.
blondyAAs posted small blind.
kingetje posted big blind.
Game 46794 started with 5 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : kingetje has 5d Td
DrzHubu called $0.10
rocketteer called $0.10 and raised $0.20
gazzahog called $0.30
blondyAAs folded.
kingetje called $0.20
DrzHubu called $0.20
Dealing flop.
Board cards   
kingetje bet $0.35
DrzHubu folded.
rocketteer called $0.35
gazzahog called $0.35 and raised $1.40
kingetje called $1.40
rocketteer called $1.40
I think I should have known here he was also on a flush draw? and since he was the preflop bettor he probably had the higher cards then me
Dealing turn.
Board cards 
kingetje bet $4.30
rocketteer called $4.30
gazzahog called $1.82 and is All-in
Dealing river.
Board cards 
kingetje bet $5
rocketteer called $5 and raised $2.51 and is All-in
Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
kingetje called $2.51
Showdown!
Seat 1 : kingetje has 5d Td
Seat 3 : rocketteer has Qd Kd
rocketteer has Flush KQJ63
rocketteer wins $18.98 with Flush KQJ63
Seat 3 : rocketteer has Qd Kd
rocketteer has Flush KQJ63
Seat 4 : gazzahog has 2d 9d
gazzahog has Flush J9632
rocketteer wins $11.37 with Flush KQJ63
Hand is over.
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Posted Fri May 12, 2006 11:44 am GMT by BeerWench13
Wow, that's a lot of diamonds. You were right in your comment. You made the right read. I hate those hands when I make the right read and still don't fold/call/raise. I get so mad at myself.
For future reference, when I get to those tables where there is always someone raising preflop, I either sit tight and wait for a monster or go to another table. Don't play into their game. A lot of players will raise many hands preflop just to get this reaction.
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 11:50 am GMT by arras
Fold preflop.
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 12:19 pm GMT by zinn0
| kingetje wrote: | | I called the pre-flop raise because EVERY hand someone raised it up to $.30.. it was getting pretty ridiculous |
That right there is bad poker.
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 12:35 pm GMT by TxShadow
I'm sure you know better, but pots getting raised preflop every time is no excuse to start playing crappy cards. People raising it up every time preflop has no effect on what cards you get dealt.
Watching people raise it up preflop every hand and not getting anything to play with is frustrating. Especially when you see them playing crap often. Remember that when people are doing this though, you're going to get bigger pots (usually) when you do have a good hand.
When you play bad cards and are lucky enough to hit a flop, often times you're still going to lose; and it's most likely going to be expensive for you when you do.
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 12:51 pm GMT by lwestatbus
I agree with everybody. The only power in your starting cards (barring a monster flop) is in making a flush. There is a 6% chance of getting EXACTLY 3 more cards to your suit by the river. (Four is bad as a pocket AKJQ beats you--I lost a big hand at Binions when the fourth club came out on the river and the pocket ace stole my pot, but I'd started with KT suited).
Your situation, making exactly 3 cards AND having somebody with higher hole cards in the same suit is unusual but also happens.
But the biggest problem is that 94% of that time you end up with nothing (minus the chance of a wonder flop). You'll give away your chips playing these. Ditto with unsuited middle connectors.
I live with Sklansky, Miller, and Malmuth's dictum: Power comes from suitedness, connectedness, and high card value, and you need two of these features to play a hand.
Enough lecturing. Go forth and sin no more.
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 1:45 pm GMT by Skribbles
| arras wrote: | | Fold preflop. |
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 1:47 pm GMT by UrAteUp
King...your playing $0.05-$0.10 NL TH. A good player will raise often if they have a hand to raise with. Lee Jones states in his book that you should raise with good hands like AX, PP, pp and suited connectors even, depending on your position. The best strategy is play like everyone else. Raise when you have a good hand or a good hand with good position.
Raising any 2 suited cards is just crazy. That kind of play will cost you dearly over the long haul.
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