Posted Fri May 12, 2006 5:30 pm GMT by Johny
Villain is playing solid, hasn't show down any bluffs. He has shown the tendancy to re-raise pre-flop with big pairs, but he seems capable of slowplaying pre-flop. His raise isn't very big, it seems like he wants a call. What should I do?
PokerStars Game #4912825616: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/12 - 17:55:29 (ET)
Table 'Aquitania' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Eliminator6 ($23.55 in chips)
Seat 2: ViCiOuSnEsS ($44.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Spike333 ($25.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Frank_Vegar ($6.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Evilaviator ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 6: wkrdixon ($27.45 in chips)
Seat 7: Steinitz ($20.60 in chips)
Seat 8: Retired DAC ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: Johny4455 ($50.10 in chips)
wkrdixon: posts small blind $0.10
Steinitz: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johny4455 9  9 
Retired DAC: folds
Johny4455: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Eliminator6: folds
ViCiOuSnEsS: calls $0.75
Spike333: folds
Frank_Vegar: calls $0.75
Evilaviator: folds
wkrdixon: folds
Steinitz: folds
*** FLOP ***   
Johny4455: bets $2
ViCiOuSnEsS: calls $2
Frank_Vegar: folds
*** TURN *** J  J J  4
Johny4455: bets $4
ViCiOuSnEsS: raises $6 to $10
Johny4455: ?
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Posted Fri May 12, 2006 8:22 pm GMT by wizzwizz
Woah...very tricky hand. It's hard to put him on a Jack and other then that I'd think he would have another PP (most likely higher) or be on a complete bluff with something like Ace high trying to push you off of your hand. I think I fold here because if you have him and re-raise here you don't really have any chance of getting more money from him other then what is already in the pot, but if he has you and you continue thinking you're good then it could cost a lot more. It also seems like he wants a call. Once again though very tricky hand but I think the correct move at the moment is fold.
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 9:04 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Higher PP isn't very likely...most people re-raise QQ,KK,AA...villain can't have jacks...so that leaves only TT as the 'plausible' PP that beats us and apart from that our only problem is a jack.
Villain may be getting tricky with a lower PP too, pegging us for a couple of unimproved overs.
I don't know what the best approach is, I'm leaning towards a raise but that bloats the pot...I don't want to give any free rivers here though.
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 10:04 pm GMT by zinn0
Hmmm...without going into much detail, the only hand that I worry about here is TT. As Tame stated, AA, KK, QQ will reraise pre almost always. I push. If he has quad J's, I'm paying him off. Villain is probably getting crazy with AQ or possibly something like 77...
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 10:12 pm GMT by wizzwizz
I overlooked the fact that a preflop slowplay with higher PP is unlikely, but I think it still is a considerable chance that may be the case. Lower PP makes more sense, but high PP is not out of the question. With a quads I can't see why the villain wouldn't slowplay here. It's a very difficult hand to anylize. I'm on the fence for this one  (slightly leaning towards a fold).
Posted Fri May 12, 2006 10:46 pm GMT by kainARGH
smooth call , donk bet 4$ on the river - my favorit play ( for better or for worse ) 
unless the river is ugly of course.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 7:30 am GMT by Johny
I smooth called the turn. I checked the river and he thouth for a few seconds before checking. He showed AQ, thoughts?
Against a weak opponent I usually move-in on the turn and get called by a worse hand than mine. Villain was a strong player though (for $25NL) and I thought the was a possibility he had a jack, 10s or even Qs. His raise on the turn makes sense if he has a jack, that's what I was worried about.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 12:21 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I'd just call down all the way there, unless an Ace pealed off on the river and he bet something outrageous. I think you're likely ahead most of the time here, but I sure as hell don't want to lose a big pot on this one.
If you're feeling frisky, like I sometimes am, you could re-raise the turn and REALLY find out what he has, but I get sick he comes over the top again. Most of the time I do that when the full house is unders to my PP, so I still have 2 outs to make the overfull, worst case scenario (well, second worst case, since worst case is he has quads).
From an aggro standpoint, I may raise here DEPENDING on the opponent. From a pot control standpoint, I prefer calling.
Definitely a tough hand, but the more I think about it, the more I want to raise... but then again I am a crazy LAG so don't listen to me. 
Posted Thu May 18, 2006 1:24 pm GMT by shorn7
I think you smooth call the turn and check/call the river. It seems likely to me that he is semibluffing with a diamond draw or just trying to get you to lay down a small PP. No way he has a Jack since why would he take you off the lead? And as others have poined out, AA-QQ are unlikely because he didn't re-raise.
I think smooth calling the turn and checking the river also gives him a chance to continue his bluff and you are only giving him 6 outs to win.
Posted Thu May 18, 2006 1:46 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| shorn7 wrote: |
I think smooth calling the turn and checking the river also gives him a chance to continue his bluff and you are only giving him 6 outs to win. |
It would take a funky villain to raise with a diamond draw on the turn...it would take an even funkier villain to actually have a diamond draw on the turn.
| shorn7 wrote: |
I think smooth calling the turn and checking the river also gives him a chance to continue his bluff and you are only giving him 6 outs to win. |
If he is indeed willing to bluff we are giving him more outs than 6.
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