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Posted Sat May 13, 2006 11:07 am GMT by supafrey
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Line?
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Posted Sat May 13, 2006 11:15 am GMT by MJJ
I think you're ahead here.
I have a hard time putting him on a A2, or a 4 w/out some history (like you saying he was way loose)
I would think he is either on a big A or a mid pair based on the action- I would bet out ~3/4 of the pot (so 30 into 40 pot)
Posted Sat May 13, 2006 12:20 pm GMT by kainARGH
half the pot to encourage a call , bet 3/4 the pot to discourage a call ( or bet the pot but that may invite an over the top raise from someone who started with twice your stack pf )
I think I go 25$
Posted Sat May 13, 2006 12:43 pm GMT by snoogins47
I gotta go with the default "just bet a normal bet" here. I lean toward the smaller side if this player is reasonably tight and predictable, (i.e. the type where we can't find the fold button fast enough if he raises the turn) because he either has very little, or a whole hell of a lot after calling on that flop.
Against me, you have an easy check-raise push, and it's probably not close at all. But you're probably not playing me. I just do this because I've realized the awesome benefits of trying to think about how I would play against myself, and I want to force it on the forum.
Generally, though, I think I bet about ~30 here, and then get all confused again on the river if he just calls.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 9:57 am GMT by supafrey
Okalie dokalie.
Lets say you bet out an amount from 20-30 dollars, which is pretty much the range most are happy with.
You get called.
River brings an offsuit Q.
Line?
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 2:13 pm GMT by kainARGH
| supafrey wrote: | Okalie dokalie.
Lets say you bet out an amount from 20-30 dollars, which is pretty much the range most are happy with.
You get called.
River brings an offsuit Q.
Line? |
| snoogins47 wrote: | | and then get all confused again on the river if he just calls. |
Too continue to play along , I'm leaning tword check-call with no reads here. But I would just as easily mirror my turn bet here - after a 3-4 second pause.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 2:21 pm GMT by Skribbles
I'd have to put him on a mid pair. No normal player would call those two bets with just overs.
Unless he hit a set on the flop/turn or a gutshot on the turn, I'd have to say you are way ahead.
Bet $40-50.
Posted Sat May 20, 2006 12:06 am GMT by MJJ
So what happened in the hand for you?
Posted Mon May 22, 2006 2:24 am GMT by JohnnyCache
I'd suspect the queen hit him, but I think if I was this far into the hand, I'd bet it out as checking is asking to be blown off it...if I thought I could get a free card I might try to sell the check and pray for a rag, I can sort of see a rationale for that, but it's not what I would do.
22 or 66 is a hand he might have, but you'd think he'd be doing something . . . a lot of people play "gooey poker" though...
man, he's got the fours or maybe ...man he might have a set of threes.
I don't think the set is a problem, unless it's quads. I can't see a call with ace 4 or worse...
I guess on the river I'd bet if I was that far in...can't slag your own reads, after all...
Man, I hate jacks and tens. I hate them! I want wonderful five card hands I don't have to think about...
Posted Mon May 22, 2006 8:52 am GMT by UrAteUp
Take this pot down...$40-50 on the turn. If he flat calls and that Q hits then bet the river too.
Posted Mon May 22, 2006 5:20 pm GMT by supafrey
I didn't bet 40-50, that's for sure.
I bet $30.
He smooth called behind me.
I checked the rag river..
He pushed.
Hero?
Posted Mon May 22, 2006 6:34 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
Since nobody else has said it...did anybody ever suspect QQ, KK, or AA?...calling a 4x BB, then calling a utg 3/4 pot bet with 2 ppl yet to act behind me is pretty scary, tho he possibly should've raised to make sure they stayed out...tho some ppl will stay in preflop w/ those little pp's hoping to get paid off huge if they hit...then he smooth called another 3/4 pot bet...
i really dont think he's got a big ace, or a smaller pp...in that case he would know that he is probably behind and needs to bluff you off the pot...and the time for it has probably passed
unfortunately i'd probably say fold at this point...i think its doubtful that anybody is being this aggressive w/ a smaller middle pp...he's either milking a bigger pp, or outside chance he hit a house or quads on the flop and is letting you bet...
of course as usual, it also depends on how the dude has been playing previous to this hand
Posted Tue May 23, 2006 12:58 pm GMT by TxShadow
You might have to call it down at this point, but I think you're badly beaten. I can't see him smooth calling your bets on this board and being so passive with anything other than a monster. I say he flips quads or a boat. If he's got an overpair, it looks like he would have reraised with the board being so scary. I hate situations like this 
Posted Tue May 23, 2006 3:24 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I don't think Supa is beat here. I am thinking this guy is playing AK or AQ and thinks Supa is as well. I would normally check the river playing a hand like this but under these conditions I say if you do then he is going to bet and leave you wondering if you have him beat or not. Thus your probably going to be inclined to lay it down.
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:33 am GMT by MrDarling
sitting from far here , I suspect quads or worse 
Smooth calling such big bets?
Many players will call 3XBB with pp or even suited connectors - look you did get 3 callers preflop.
And then he simply smooth calls the giant flop bet (sure its just the pot size, but for this level I consider it a big bet)
I would put him on as low as A2.
Would he really call 2 bets if he only has over cards, with such a flop?
In any case, checking on the river invites a hugh push. Which tells you nothing !
So, what the F* happened ? Its been 2 month, I think you can reveal
Posted Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:18 am GMT by shorn7
I think you call his all-in. Why would he overbet with a hand that you can't beat here? Rarely does a player who flops or turns a monster play so passively for two streets and then push on the river.
Smells like a bluff with something like A3s to me. I call.
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