Posted Sat May 13, 2006 10:38 pm GMT by Skribbles
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Call the river bet? Raise? Fold?
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Posted Sun May 14, 2006 2:16 am GMT by tame_deuces
3:1 and second pair and nothing but weakness shown by anybody = I never fold this. A call is def. merited but I'm doubting if a raise will drive away stronger hands or get called by weaker ones. Basically down to opponent dependant for me if I raise or call here.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 2:50 am GMT by Tadzio
Without a super read on lucky, this is an easy call. He was last to act on the turn. Why would he check that and bet the river unless he was bluffing vs what appears to be very weak opponents. Raising may be a decent idea, but I'd probably just call with another weak player behind me (hoping they'll call at 4-1 odds).
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 12:04 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I would just call. Raising here has very little to gain, but a lot to lose. Either he slow-played the crap out of something, he hit the queen with a weaker kicker, or he has nothing.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 11:05 pm GMT by Phil14312
Call and expect to win a lot.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 2:33 am GMT by JohnnyCache
he seems like he might be checking off a king since he seems aggressive
but this is a position where it seems like calling is the move more often then not...if he's got a king what was he betting?
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 1:39 pm GMT by TxShadow
I'd call it. Definately wouldn't raise here though.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 3:00 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I agree with the majority...call but no raise.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 11:26 am GMT by ScanX
since the subject is "River play?", I say :
make a blocking bet yourself.
the amount of your bet would have been approximatively the same but you could have been facing a larger bet which would have forced you to fold what could be the best hand.
otherwise call.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 12:51 pm GMT by Skribbles
I made the call and the guy had a busted straight draw w/ A6
| ScanX wrote: | since the subject is "River play?", I say :
make a blocking bet yourself.
the amount of your bet would have been approximatively the same but you could have been facing a larger bet which would have forced you to fold what could be the best hand.
otherwise call. |
I don't really like / understand this move. If I lead out for $40-50 the only hand I can think that would call, which I beat, is JJ. And even that would be a bad call on their part. Any other hand calling has me.
Also, if I get raised, I have no choice but to lay it down which costs me the bet I lead out.
Check / calling seems like the cheapest and most profitable option. If the guy gets silly and bets out the pot then its an easy fold and I only lose $38 that hand compared to $70+ if I lead and get raised.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 4:42 pm GMT by Phil14312
Yeah I think the only way you make money on the hand is inducing a bluff, which is exactly what you did.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 5:29 pm GMT by snoogins47
Skribs: As is my style, I don't know if I support Scan's suggestion yet, but the "I don't understand" part I can probably help with.
Even if you reasonably likely have the best hand, but hardly any worse hand will call you/better hand will fold, the bet could still be correct. It mostly comes down to how likely he is to make a sizeable bluff if you check to him, and how likely you are to call it. The idea behind Scan's bet is that plenty of worse hands have the capacity to blow you off your hand here, and that doesn't happen nearly as often if you bet out yourself. It's sort of a weird, backwards version of the value bet: You're betting, assuming that you have the best hand and won't be called, because that's better than the risk of giving up the pot to a worse hand.
That said, I don't necessarily think that a small river bet in this hand necessarily chases out every worse hand... I think given that nobody really showed strength and every draw missed, I think you'll get looked up by a single pair surprisingly frequently, offering up 4 or 5 to 1. Even so, I think you're getting raised on the river even less frequently: there just aren't a whole lot of scenarios that make any sense at all where somebody would raise have a legitimate river raise here, and you've almost always got the best hand.
As it played out, it's definitely a call, but (as much as it pains me to do it) I agree with waffle boy here. I like a bet of ~$40 on the river.
Posted Wed May 17, 2006 2:25 pm GMT by shorn7
I think with the K out there, you want a showdown as cheaply as possible. Your hand is probably good, but the real question is if you make a blocking bet as suggested, do you really want to call a big raise? I don't. Small pot poker on this one since he may have decided to get tricky and just check behind with AK or some other King.
The blocking bet has merits at times, but against what you describe as an aggressive player, it will result in 1 of 2 things, both bad: he folds and you win nothing more, or he raises and you vomit on your computer.
Posted Wed May 17, 2006 3:58 pm GMT by Phil14312
Blocking bet may be fine if the villain has a tendency to overbet pots on bluffs and with a hand like TPTK. But, I don't find a lot of those types at 100 NL that I've played at. I prefer checking to induce a bluff out of a hand that would not call a cent but may sense enough weakness to bluff.
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