Wearing Sunglasses While Playing Poker |
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Posted Sun May 14, 2006 12:34 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
At my last homegame, a small argument broke out over whether sunglasses are "stupid" to wear while playing poker indoors.
I personally, always wear the sunglasses. First of all, which I explained to the players at my table, was that while the dark lenses cover my eyes, I can scan their facial expressions and body language when they don't even know I am looking at them. Secondly, and the more obvious reason is when they are trying to read me, information is harded to get as my eyes aren't visable.
These players who I was arguing with claimed that the people (aside from professionals) who wear sunglasses while playing, are just trying to pose and act like the players they see on TV, and really have no purpose.
I can admit that looking around at a full table wearing sunglasses while playing does increase the serious "feel" to the game, but this is not why I wear them.
Basically I just want to hear some opinions on this matter. What do you guys think? Do you wear sunglasses while playing?
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Posted Sun May 14, 2006 12:41 am GMT by Skribbles
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: |
These players who I was arguing with claimed that the people (aside from professionals) who wear sunglasses while playing, are just trying to pose and act like the players they see on TV, and really have no purpose.
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Posted Sun May 14, 2006 2:15 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Wearing sunglasses at the table is stupid.
I have a pair of these I take to the casino. If someone at my table is wearing sunglasses, I break them out.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 2:29 am GMT by tame_deuces
Oh, the memories. 
As for the Q...I don't think sunglasses fit in regular games.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 7:25 am GMT by Johny
I never wear sunglasses at that table, but I don't own a pair anyways. I've never understood how you can read someone's eyes, unless they do something incredibly obvious in certain situations.
The only benefit I see is being able to look at your opponent without them knowing it. Even then, if you're playing against a weak opponent he'll have the same tells wether he knows your looking at him or not. If your playing against a strong opponent, he won't show many tells either way.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 7:26 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
i think its silly (i guess i could say stupid)
besides eyes is the last think that u should worry about if u want to avoid getting read by someone, and if u are looking at someone u want them to know that u are looking, when people know someone looks at them they get more nervous also.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 8:57 am GMT by scez
A big tell at my home game that a couple of people do is stare at you hardly breathing when they make a big bet/go all in. But if they were wearing glasses I would have no clue where they are staring and would fold my hand unless it was really strong.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 9:50 am GMT by supafrey
Sunglasses are usually a pretty tell-tale sign of a douche at the table. 
heh.
To tell you the truth, I have a pretty complete set of assumptions when i see a 20ish year old player with sunglasses/hat on. Ditto for any moron with an unlit cigarette in his mouth. Easy marks.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 10:08 am GMT by tame_deuces
| supafrey wrote: | | To tell you the truth, I have a pretty complete set of assumptions when i see a 20ish year old player with sunglasses/hat on. Ditto for any moron with an unlit cigarette in his mouth. Easy marks. |
Uhoh. 
Naw, just kidding. I use this instead to satisfy my tobacco cravings:
Snus
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 10:11 am GMT by supafrey
mmmmmmmmmmmmm... mouth cancer.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 11:16 am GMT by jimmer
Sunglasses are essential while playing poker.
Players who say it's stupid or unnessasary simply don't understand how to read players.
The eye's give away so much information it's unreal.
Anyone doesn't believe me, try this with a friend;
While in general conversation and NOT at the poker table ask your friend three questions. They can not be closed questions. (ie the answer must NOT be yes or no)
For example;
Where did you go on holiday last year?
What is your favorite resturant?
What don't you like about work?
While you ask the questions, LOOK STRAIGHT INTO THEIR EYE'S
If they look up-it means there're happy.
If they look to the side it means there're not sure or undecided.
If they look down, there're uncomfortable or unhappy.
Let's take one of these examples further:
Where did you go on holiday last year? (the person looks to the side and answers Florida)
What did you enjoy about this holiday? (the person looks up and answers the sun)
What didn't you like about the holiday? (the person looks down and says-the price of tickets)
From this I can conclude they enjoyed the wheather, they didn't like the expense and they were not 100% happy about the destination.
From further questioning i found they enjoyed Florida, but wanted to go to Cancun. Hence the sideways look.
This will work between 78% and 94% of the time IF the questioning is correct.
Now i'm not suggesting you ask every player how good they their cards are every hand, but look for the more suttle eye movements. Watch their eye's when the cards are first dealt, when the flop comes and when you place a fairly large bet. How do their eyes react and/or change?
This is one example of using the eye's to gain information. There are many others, but that's for another day.
If anyone wants to try this and doesn't have success in reading information, try it on others. If you can't find out any tells after quesioning say three people, contact me and i'll give you some other things to look for.
NOTE: make sure the people are under the influence of drugs or alcohol, it won't work aswell.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 11:22 am GMT by supafrey
| Quote: | | This will work between 78% and 94% of the time IF the questioning is correct. |
I've always heard 77.6434%.
I also loved when you wrote that sunglasses were essential
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 12:12 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I'd hardly call them essential, but nor would I say they're automatically stupid. I will fully admit that I've gotten reads on players I couldn't have got if I hadn't been able to see their eyes, so I suppose they COULD help, but I think Chris Ferguson was the guy who said, "an amateur who thinks he's fooling you by wearing sunglasses usually isn't."
I don't wear them personally. But I talk and twitch so much at the table that I think people have a hard time separating any tells I might have from my normal behavior. In any case, I don't think I give much away with my eyes, although I'm sure I do on occasion.
It's really a matter of psychology I guess. If you believe wearing sunglasses will make you more confident and help you play better, they probably will. If you believe sunglasses alone will make you unreadable, you're probably dreaming.
I will say though, picking up physical tells accounts for maybe 1% of Poker at most, and the eyes are maybe only 1-10% of that, so that tells you how important it is...
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 12:13 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
u got the eye thing a bit confused
if u glance up it doesnt mean ur happy,
u can only tell if someone constructed the image in his mind or remembered an image depending if he looked up right or up left
and even then u cant work out much, sure does halp a tiny bit
and it also depends on what side of brain is dominant in the person
its not like movies say oh he looked there so he is lying, its far from that
other body parts give out far more information and unless its deliberate its more accurate also
after all my hands might shake when i have aces,
but u have no idea if i'm thinking of a big pot i once won with them or maybe i just smelled victory sometimes and am trying to expirience that, maybe i'm just daydreaming about something irrelevant, my eyes just wont give out the most reliable tell.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 12:22 pm GMT by MasterShake
I was at a 2-2 FL charity game Saturday and a guy at the other table had sunglasses on. Any time I felt frustrated I just looked at him and I was all better again.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 12:57 pm GMT by groton
i dont know
I normoly dont wareglass's (thoe its more a point of me breaking my sunglass's or forgetting them somewhere)
but the couple guys in the normal game i play that do.
it does not seem to help them all that much or realy hurt them.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 1:36 pm GMT by kainARGH
| Quote: | | I've never understood how you can read someone's eyes, |
DISCLAIMER: I'm not here to argue the semantics of tells , just giving examples of where the eyes give away information.
Heres some situations I come across alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll day long playing with weak opponents.
#1
Guy bets - he seems nervous. I know hes not an actor. while staring at him ( through the corner of my eye , if you stare atr8 at them , they tend to give off false tells in my experience - or at least i don't get extra info from stareing at them directly ) I notice after 4-5 seconds he glances down at his chips. A quick once over.
#2
Flop comes x x x 2 clubs , I bet 4 players call - a loose game. turn comes club - now the typical amatour re looks his cards - which could be discussed elsewhere , but I catch the 1 player who looks at his chips.
#3
This one is a little bit more tricky and i won't go into detail. If a player quickly looks at the flop , and then right - hes ready to go. If a player quickly looks at the flop and then left - he would prefere a free card. These aren't 100% tells , but if you play with people long enough , you will relize that people do the same things OVER AND OVER AND OVER. So if you figure out WHY someone looks left or why they look right , this is more info straight from the eyes. ( i'm not here to argue the semantics of tells , just givin another example of where the eyes give away information )
Now , #2 could be a hand reaching for chips , but more often then that its a glance at the chips if the player is at least half competent with poker. He will quickly relize don't make any movement tword your chips until your turn , but these same players cant help but gleefully look at there own chips ready to bet.
Now before anyone says anything , yes these are tells from weaker players. I'm fully aware of actors , and stronger players who like to feed reverse tells ( myself )
My point being , in these 2 situations i come across all day long ( not so much #1 as #2 ) if the player had been wearing sunglasses and not made any motions , i'm loseing out on a valuable tell. And again if your not looking at the eyes of people your missing out on a great source for tells.
again this is for weaker players only , if you regularly play in games with better competition , then this is useless as these are some of the first things people start to avoid doing as they get better.
| Quote: | | besides eyes is the last think that u should worry about if u want to avoid getting read by someone |
Like what? If you remain mostly still , keep your hands steady , stay focused and keep self aware - you dn't give away hardly any info aside from betting patterns.
Here are some reasons I would ( I don't ) wear sunglasses:
People cant see where im looking
I don't want them to know how long I look at the flop
I dont want them to know im looking at them ******
I don't want them to know if im looking at my chips or how long im looking at my chips.
****** If an actor - or a stronger player KNOWS your looking at them , this gives the chance to feed false tells or to mask their true standings. If someone is unaware your stareing at them , the info they give is more pure - from my past experiences.
In other words to an observant opponent , I want to give them LESS to observe.
One final note for this post - I mostly play with players ranging from weak - medium strength and mostly un observant opponents. I would happily wear sunglasses VS stronger opposistion , not trying to intimidate or stare into anyones soul - but simply put - im an unconfrontational person and am more relaxed knowing someone cant tell im looking at them
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 2:05 pm GMT by jimmer
| Jernej Zorec wrote: | | other body parts give out far more information |
agreed, but that's not what this thread is about.
| Jernej Zorec wrote: | if u glance up it doesnt mean ur happy,
u can only tell if someone constructed the image in his mind or remembered an image depending if he looked up right or up left
and even then u cant work out much, sure does halp a tiny bit
and it also depends on what side of brain is dominant in the person
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You are also right, if u glance up it doesn't mean your happy.
However,
1.The optic chiasm is the area in the optic tract where information from each eye crisscrosses. They effectively swap sides. However some of the fibres remain on their respective sides which causes information from each eye to be recieved and processed on both sides of the brain.
2.The retinal interneurons are functional neurons within the retina that process incoming information.
3. Transducin is a protein in the light pathways. This is located in the the retina and is a 'form of travel' for information.
4. The zonule fibres (effecively known as the Suspensory Ligaments), are the fibers attached of which one end is attached to the edge of the lens with the other end attached to the ciliary body. When the fibers are most taunt the lens is at it flattest, which allows for focusing on far objects.
Now, to put it in plain english, when the eye takes information (2) to the brain, (via 3), it adjusts accordingly (4) by using (1). As the pressure of the optic nerves have to adjust (to decide where to foward the information) the brain needs more time than usual to adjust and therefore the eyes are (for a split second) disconnected from the brain. The eye's will react in relation to the last information sent from the brain. Now depending on the part of the brain involved and the distance to the eye, will cause the eye to change direction.
So to recap, yes you are right, but for the purpose of poker and reading someone at a table, my information is facually correct.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 2:35 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
As for eye-based tells, there are a few I find fairly reliable.
1. A player continuously stares at the flop. This is a sign of weakness.
2. A player stares directly at you after he bets. Also a sign of weakness.
3. A player looks quickly at a flop, then quickly back at his chips. This is a sign of strength (perhaps the most reliable sign of strength I know of).
4. A player looks around disinterested. If he calls or raises, I'm fairly sure he has a big hand.
Posted Sun May 14, 2006 3:20 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I have only worn sunglasses to the table once. It was right after I had an eye irritation. The doctor suggested I wear them for a couple days and avoid bright light. I felt funny and I am sure other players thought I was trying to act. After the day was finished though they knew I could play. I took about $250 playing $2/$4 limit.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 11:46 am GMT by BeerWench13
I wear sunglasses, but they're usually propped on my head because I came in out of the sun or they're holding back my hair. I'm a chick. I don't need glasses to mask tells. Guys never have a clue what I'm thinking at or away from the table. Hell, half the time, neither do I. There are a few advantages to being a girl.
I think that some people need glasses because they don't know how to mask their tells. To me, they're a sign of weakness. It also gives the player false confidence that his tells are hidden behind his shades. Most of the tells I recognise in my opponents are in the neck, shoulders, hand movements and basic posture. Not the eyes. Besides, you can tell in which direction a player is looking, even with shades on as long as they are not sitting directly across from you. You can also gauge their reactions by looking at their eyebrows. Most shades don't hide the brows.
And, I want them to know I'm looking at them, personally. It usually makes them extremely uncomfortable and may make them make a mistake.
I play with a group of guys regularly, and there is one guy that I look dead in the eye whenever we're in a pot against one another and, at some point, I will wink at him. The first few times I did this, he'd call my bet or bet big and pay off my monster. After those few times, now he'll fold most of the time. He never knows how to take it. He can't figure if I'm bluffing, have the nuts or I'm just a flirt. It really discomfits him. I would lose this if I wore shades.
I agree with supa too. When I see a guy at my table with the hat and shades on, he becomes a target.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 12:13 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| jimmer wrote: | <snip a whole buncha nonsense>
So to recap, yes you are right, but for the purpose of poker and reading someone at a table, my information is facually correct. |
I'll be sure to wear sunglasses the next time I play against a table full of optometrists or neurologists.
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | Wearing sunglasses at the table is stupid. |
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 1:28 pm GMT by snoogins47
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | I agree with supa too. When I see a guy at my table with the hat and shades on, he becomes a target. |
This is true for me too, but it's not really any worse than any of the other poker stereotypes I apply.
For the record, I wore shades occasionally to random games. At one point I went to the local Meijer and picked up a ludicrous $0.99 ugly red stocking cap, some $2.99 ugly huge red mirrored shades, and wore whatever else I could find that would look stupid. I ended up losing those shades, sadly.
Then, the time I blew some party points on some visors and a polo shirt... I couldn't wear those in good conscience without some shades on too. Visor up-side down for full effect.
Come to think of it, I recently got some prescription sunglasses, which I might have to start wearing... I have to wear glasses when I play poker anyway, so this way I get the added benefit of looking like a douche.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 3:14 pm GMT by jimmer
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | Most of the tells I recognise in my opponents are in the neck, shoulders, hand movements and basic posture. Not the eyes. |
A large percentage of you guys are all saying that finding tells in the eye's is either stupid, or a waste of time. Now don't get me wrong, as beerwench wrote, there are better ways to find tells in a player.
However, I personally feel there is clearly an edge to be gained from ANY tell. This includes 'eye' tells.
In the competitive poker world of which we all now all live, gaining a small edge in any way,shape or form, should be rejoiced and not rejected.
Yes there are easier ways to read another player, but that's not what this thread is about.
To not recognise eye movements in an opponent is acceptable, to dismiss the theory altogether is very naive and narrow-minded. After all, we are all after that extra edge, which will make us better than everyone else.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 4:29 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Wenchie, you also forgot to mention that a lot of men forget that women even HAVE eyes.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 4:31 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| jimmer wrote: | | Yes there are easier ways to read another player, but that's not what this thread is about. |
But perhaps it should be? With the obvious side effect of butchering "Occam's Razor," if there are so many other easier ways of reading players, why would I bother with the eye thing? It doesn't matter what style of Oakley's the bozo is wearing if his hands start shaking uncontrollably when he turns his nut straight.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 6:32 pm GMT by supafrey
If the average person spent the time they did picking out their sunglasses / deciding whether to bring them to instead play a hand of poker, they'd probably get more benefit.
All this physical tells garbage is fluff. I'm not saying that it doesn't work, on rare occasion, but there's far better ways to focus your efforts. Inifinitely better ways. The vast majority of people that worry about the "reads" they're giving off can barely piece together a decent line to actually play.. good job. It's like giving a guy with no legs a nice pair of leather shoes. Sure, they're pretty, but the guy's still screwed.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 9:16 pm GMT by Dave B
At the mid to high stakes cash games, the vast majority of people dont wear them. The ones that do, are usually easy prey.
Why? Because if you are playing a game and have a noticable physical reaction then you are newbie or playing beyond your means.
Now, if someone does something (like bet a certain way, verbal vs non verbal) then those are tells. If you notice something else in someones eyes, it is just as likely to be a breeze, lint, fart, or anything else.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 9:22 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
I would wear sunglasses part of the time if I was in a long tournament
just because, dammit man, a full day of poker is a long day for the peepers.
and I don't want my opponents to notice when I'm half out of it.
also, someone mentioned it earlier, if you stare right at someone when they bet they tend to act...gosh if only there were some sort of dark lens you could get for the upper half of your face...
I wouldn't wear sunglasses at most of my homegames, simply because no one else does and you'd look like an ass, but they have applications.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 7:58 am GMT by BeerWench13
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Wenchie, you also forgot to mention that a lot of men forget that women even HAVE eyes. |
 Good point. Why bother with shades? They're not looking at my eyes anyway.
| supafrey wrote: | | All this physical tells garbage is fluff. I'm not saying that it doesn't work, on rare occasion, but there's far better ways to focus your efforts. Inifinitely better ways. The vast majority of people that worry about the "reads" they're giving off can barely piece together a decent line to actually play.. good job. |
Don't underestimate the power of tells, hon. You'd be amazed at how many plays I've made on players because they had one specific tell that always gave them away.
I do agree, however, that if you're really worried about what tells you're exuding, you're unlikely to be focusing on your hand and your opponents. The distraction could really hurt your game.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 10:45 am GMT by supafrey
good point with the resting of eyes during the longer tourneys, JC. I didn't even think of that, really, because I actually have 0 live tourney experience.
And I'm sticking to physical tells being stupid, for the most part.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 10:51 am GMT by BeerWench13
| supafrey wrote: | | And I'm sticking to physical tells being stupid, for the most part. |
| supafrey wrote: | | I actually have 0 live tourney experience. |
Not much of a wonder. Players who only play online don't usually grasp the nuances of physical tells. If you played live more often, you may see the significance of them.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 10:59 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | Not much of a wonder. Players who only play online don't usually grasp the nuances of physical tells. If you played live more often, you may see the significance of them. |
I tend to agree with supa. Occasionally, I've picked up one of the more obvious ones from a beginner; but, I can't say physical tells have ever made a material difference in my live results.
And I actually made money playing live.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 11:13 am GMT by supafrey
I've made a few grand playing live. Just 0 live tourney experience.
I'm not saying that tells could never, hypothetically, work. With slower tables and only being able to play 1 hand at a time, I guess we'd have enough time to figure out a second language and the meaning of life while someone plays live... It's just not worth the effort when it comes to that being someone's crutch for live play. Learn the betting patterns and experience will guide you through it without any need to "STARE INTO HIS SOUL".
I don't know if I could stress this enough.... but poker is really one of the simplest games to play decently. A machine or a monkey could do it. 80% of the easiest bluffs I've ever pulled off haven't come from a physical tell in the slightest... People bet a certain way depending on the circumstances and that's more than enough to go on.... just play more cards people.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 11:14 am GMT by BeerWench13
It's the little things that most people don't notice.
A few examples:
1) In a casino, a guy I played would always uncap his cards only when he was getting ready to fold. On one occasion, in a hand against me, he uncapped his cards and then decided to push. I knew he'd missed and made a huge pot off of him.
2) A guy I was playing in a live MTT (54 people) had a hard time swallowing (it was obvious by his adam's apple) in a few hands, and, on two, showed his bluff when his opponent folded. A few hands later, he pushed against me, I noticed the same problem and called him. He had A-high and no draw.
3) A player in the casino would usually touch his nose after making a bet when he was bluffing. When he wasn't, he made the bet and his hands went back to his cards.
4) A home game player who has a big hand always announces the amount he's betting/raising. When he's on a draw, he only calls/bets/raises by putting chips in without saying anything.
5) A player in my weekly game always has a bottle of water in front of him. When he has a monster, he always drinks his water right after checking/betting/raising on every street. When he doesn't, the water stays in the cylinder until the hand is complete.
These are just a few examples. Write them off if you like, but you're leaving a lot of money on the table by not paying attention to the little things.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 11:20 am GMT by supafrey
How does that commercial go..? A jump shot can get you a million dollar contract and a legion of fans, but it doesn't work the other way around?
There's stages to development.... Physical tells should be bottom of the barrel. Along with outfit and hair choices. =)
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 11:21 am GMT by BeerWench13
I'm sorry, supa. I'm wrong, you're right. Whatever you say.
Happy?
| supafrey wrote: | | Physical tells should be bottom of the barrel. Along with outfit and hair choices. |
If you had cleavage, you'd rethink this statement.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 11:35 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | supafrey wrote: | | Physical tells should be bottom of the barrel. Along with outfit and hair choices. |
If you had cleavage, you'd rethink this statement. |
You do realize that the people who pay attention to that are people you could beat anyway, right? Personally, I like the woman who think this helps them at the table. It's like she's paying me to look down her shirt.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 11:38 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | You do realize that the people who pay attention to that are people you could beat anyway, right? |
Of course. The comment was actually a joke for the most part. Thus the wink.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 11:51 am GMT by supafrey
I just like tits. All the power to the showy types.
And there's nothing wrong with paying attention if it doesn't change your game
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 11:59 am GMT by BeerWench13
| supafrey wrote: | | And there's nothing wrong with paying attention if it doesn't change your game |
You may scoff at this (probably  ), but paying attention and getting reads/tells is a huge part of my live game. It's not something I focus on specifically, but I've always been one of those ultra-observant people. It's gotten stronger since I started playing poker and, IMO, is a benefit. It's my natural instinct to watch the little things anyway, so it's a blessing to be able to use it to my advantage.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 1:53 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Physical tells are a big part of live poker. You can argue it all you want but it is a fact. That is why so much emphasis is put on disguising or hiding facial expressions, eyes and other body parts. True some players may not need to see these to know how to play their opponent but they are another tool to be used in the game of poker.
Personally I have learned physical tells work in other places as well. Recently I was in front of a potential client trying to get their business. This guy was of corse trying to get our best price to do his work but the way he was going about it was terrible. He was trying the old "This guy down the street can do it for $XX.XX amount." I could tell by his facial expressions and his eyes that he was lying to me. Finally I said if he can do it for that then you might just give him a call and take his price. I told the guy if anything comes up here is my number, feel free to give me a call and we can discuss this further. I didn't even make it back to my office before he was calling me on my cell to say we had a deal.
Tells work in other places too... . Supa you should know that from dealing with the ladies...
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 2:00 pm GMT by Dave B
Did you tell that guy that you think you are a bad ass?
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 2:22 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Dave B wrote: | | Did you tell that guy that you think you are a bad ass? |
Nah...he could tell just by looking at me....
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 8:37 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I think tells work ok at the tables, works best if you get to observe people over a longer stretch of time...I don't believe to much in 'general' tells.
Cleavage really throws me off my game though, I'm a dirty pig I guess.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 8:42 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
The only problem i have with boobs is if you hang them out with less then 25% coverage and then clown me if I look at them
You have giant awsome things on your chest
You don't cover them up
You IN FACT put them in a shirt that's the equivilent of a neon sign
I'm gonna look
If that pisses you off, wear a damn sweatshirt. If I hung my dong out of my fly around you and you DIDN'T look, I'd be offended.
If I had a set of heavenly sweater kittens I could use to hypnotize my opponent, they'd have to bring over a floorman to get me to cover my nipples, you can bet your ass.
Posted Wed May 17, 2006 7:52 am GMT by UrAteUp
| tame_deuces wrote: |
Cleavage really throws me off my game though, I'm a dirty pig I guess. |
Nah...your just a read blooded male...nothing wrong with that. If we can't look at them then why were they put where they are? Even though on some women you almost have to look down at the ground to see them...
Posted Wed May 17, 2006 7:53 am GMT by UrAteUp
| JohnnyCache wrote: |
If I had a set of heavenly sweater kittens I could use to hypnotize my opponent, they'd have to bring over a floorman to get me to cover my nipples, you can bet your ass. |
...funniest thing I think I read all year so far. Hell if I was a women I would be driving a Ferrari...living in a big house and be playing poker all day...
Posted Wed May 17, 2006 8:50 am GMT by JohnnyCache
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Posted Wed May 17, 2006 8:56 am GMT by BeerWench13
| JohnnyCache wrote: | | If I had a set of heavenly sweater kittens I could use to hypnotize my opponent, they'd have to bring over a floorman to get me to cover my nipples, you can bet your ass. |
Hilarious! I now have coffee all over my paperwork.
I've never heard them referred to as "heavenly sweater kittens". The usual description I hear from my guy friends is "fleshy mounds of happiness."
Posted Wed May 17, 2006 9:02 am GMT by JohnnyCache
Shirt hypnotists
chest beacons
nipplecanos
Inter-dress Esctascy Domes (IEDs)
Vegan Milk Canteens
Emergancy flotation devices
these are just the ones I've used tonight
Posted Tue May 23, 2006 1:59 pm GMT by foldhappy
Sunglasses to me = weakness. Basically you're admitting you're not good enough at something (watching others when they don't think you're looking or covering up your own tells) and you need help. You're hiding.
I was in Tunica, playing $3-$6 Hold em in the wee hours of the morning when the table go short handed. Mid twenties guy sits next to me on my immediate right, hat on backwards, dark sunglasses. He moves slow and deliberate, trying to make everything look exactly the same every time. He also looks down at his chips a lot....only I can notice this since you can't see his eyes if you'e across from him. He's basically re-counting his stack after every hand that he gets involved in. After about 15-20 minutes, he hadn't spoken a word, so I opened up with: "so, you play mostly online in tournaments huh?". I got an embarassed smile and he admitted it. Now I'm not much of a talker at the table, but I decided I'd had enough to drink and I might as well try it out. So I started telling him I play a lot of short handed online & stuff and how much fun it is. I basically got him to understand that you have to lower your standards and be more aggressive etc. After I showed down a few typical short handed hands, he started to loosen up a bit. Then I started 3-betting the crap out of him and making him lay down hands that were questionable. See above where he kept re-counting his stack? Eventually the whole table started tilting because I was being so aggressive and most of them were used to playing full games. It got to the point where when a new person sat down at the table, the first thing they players did was point to me and say "he raises with trash". I had been down about $100 from when the table was full, but after this happened I ended up booking a $200 win for the session. I even had players calling me down with Ace High when I had hit pairs etc. and the rest of the table (especially mr. tourney, who had taken what I said and turned into "coach") was telling him "you had the right idea, tough hand" etc. Sorry if I got a little off topic there. I'm a purist, I don't think sunglasses belong. It's perceived as an advantage by it's users, and it may be in certain situations, but it's probably more valuable as a comfort thing more than anything. And it certainly helps me to size up a player and build a quick stereotype to which they usually seem to adhere. The glasses are either a minor annoyance or a big target for me.
Posted Tue May 23, 2006 2:25 pm GMT by conolly
I always ask the people if the sun is bothering there eyes....too bad were in a casino without windows and its probably raining outside.
Posted Tue May 23, 2006 3:30 pm GMT by Johny
It doesn't bother me at all if people wear sunglasses. I also wouldn't assume they're weak players just because they wear them. I get tired of hearing that honestly.
Posted Tue May 23, 2006 8:30 pm GMT by kainARGH
| Johny wrote: | | It doesn't bother me at all if people wear sunglasses. I also wouldn't assume they're weak players just because they wear them. I get tired of hearing that honestly. |
Agreed, Sunglasses may indicate a weak player but I will reserve my opinions for 3 or 4 orbits into a the game.
Posted Tue May 23, 2006 9:37 pm GMT by supafrey
| Johny wrote: | | It doesn't bother me at all if people wear sunglasses. I also wouldn't assume they're weak players just because they wear them. I get tired of hearing that honestly. |
Just because you wouldn't assume it doesn't mean they aren't.
Posted Wed May 24, 2006 2:37 am GMT by JohnnyCache
I wear sunglasses indoors sometimes. I work at night and I hate the sun, and I drink a lot, so sometimes I honestly find a place like a wal mart pretty bright. I don't usually wear them at the table, though.
Posted Wed May 24, 2006 5:12 am GMT by Johny
| supafrey wrote: | | Just because you wouldn't assume it doesn't mean they aren't. |
OK... I didn't say they would be weak, but saying that all poker players who wear sunglasses at lower limit tables are weak is dumb.
Posted Wed May 24, 2006 8:41 am GMT by mikenike
i agree with the "scanning of your opponents" because i once heard that there not to conceal your face. Most people wear them to view the other players without their knowledge.
Posted Wed May 24, 2006 10:28 am GMT by foldhappy
| Quote: | Just because you wouldn't assume it doesn't mean they aren't.
OK... I didn't say they would be weak, but saying that all poker players who wear sunglasses at lower limit tables are weak is dumb. |
I don't think anybody on this forum is naive enough to think that wearing sunglasses automatically means weakness, but it's a good jumping off point to start making a profile of the player. I think most people's examples that were given take other important factors into consideration. I'm still a purist and say they don't belong in the game, but since a lot of people use them to hide behind I'm going to find out what they're hiding and exploit it.
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