Most Talented of the past 3 WSOP Main Event Winners? |
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Posted Mon May 15, 2006 10:44 am GMT by JewishPete
I have a pretty good idea of how this poll will turn out, but thought it would be pretty fun to see who people vote for. Make sure you add a reason as to why you voted the way you did.
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Posted Mon May 15, 2006 11:00 am GMT by UrAteUp
I voted Raymer because I have not seen much of Hatchem since the WSOP. He played in the tournament of Champions but didn't make it to the final table. Other then that I have not heard or saw him in a televised game since.
I think honerable mention though belongs to Steve Dannenmann.... 
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 11:07 am GMT by MasterShake
| UrAteUp wrote: | I voted Raymer because I have not seen much of Hatchem since the WSOP. He played in the tournament of Champions but didn't make it to the final table. Other then that I have not heard or saw him in a televised game since.
I think honerable mention though belongs to Steve Dannenmann.... |
Raymer because he backed it up last year with an amazing finish and probably would have made the final table if that kid (Coulter or what ever his name is) wasn't a tard muffin from f*ck.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 11:58 am GMT by kainARGH
| MasterShake wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | I voted Raymer because I have not seen much of Hatchem since the WSOP. He played in the tournament of Champions but didn't make it to the final table. Other then that I have not heard or saw him in a televised game since.
I think honerable mention though belongs to Steve Dannenmann.... |
Raymer because he backed it up last year with an amazing finish and probably would have made the final table if that kid (Coulter or what ever his name is) wasn't a tard muffin from f*ck. |
very accurate description.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 12:02 pm GMT by JewishPete
I, too voted for Raymer. He just has a comprehension of the game on a level that the other two aren't quite on yet. I think Hachem is a distant second, and Moneymaker a distant third. No one can dispute that all 3 of them are excellent poker players, but I still think that Raymer is ages above the rest.
Had Aaron Kanter (I think it was him?) not given him the bad beat with the rivered flush, Raymer would have almost indefinitely made the final table (And you could argue go into the final table as chip leader) and maybe even won the thing again.
He also seems like a great guy as well.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 12:29 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
I voted Raymer. Not only did he win in 04, have a very impressive run in 05, but he also took 2nd in that 1500+ person tourney on Stars and I watched most of it.
I don't think Hachem is all that bad of a player and he did make some pretty good decisions in the WSOP (like folding hit nut flush draw when he knew Dannenman flopped his set).
Moneymaker is just a luckbox, though.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 12:30 pm GMT by groton
Greg fosselman Raymer
A couple Reasons
first I have seen him play Live at Foxwoods vs my Grandfather and he destoryed My Grandfather who in my eyes is one of the Better Old School Players who no one knows.
second Last years WSOP realy showed he played decently.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 1:21 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Raymer.
He knows how to play, he does the right things and doesn't hide behind some 'helmuthian' belief in his own superiority. And he is real class act at the table.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 1:24 pm GMT by zinn0
Raymer for reasons given above.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 1:40 pm GMT by TxShadow
| zinn0 wrote: | | Raymer for reasons given above. |
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 1:50 pm GMT by MasterShake
Holy Crap! Joe Haschem is a member here?!?!?!
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 2:03 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| MasterShake wrote: | | Holy Crap! Joe Haschem is a member here?!?!?! |
I think that was Moneymaker's vote.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 4:16 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Raymer. And it's not even close. Don't get me wrong--I think Hachem is a good player and played excellently at that final table, but Raymer has a far superior record. Moneymaker was lucky, but he's not as bad as some of you guys believe.
P.S. Also for the record, having personally spoken to Aaron Kanter, he said calling Raymer was the most massive brain fart he's ever had playing Poker, and he said he actually misread the board on that hand. That's what he told me at least.
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 5:28 pm GMT by Johny
What did he think the board was?
Posted Mon May 15, 2006 11:04 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
| Dat_Dude wrote: | | I don't think Hachem is all that bad of a player and he did make some pretty good decisions in the WSOP (like folding hit nut flush draw when he knew Dannenman flopped his set). |
I remember this hand, and was also impressed with Hachems laydown. He held AK  with 2 diamonds on a rag flop and got away from a huge hand. Despite this however, Raymer still gets my vote.
Posted Tue May 16, 2006 1:07 am GMT by kainARGH
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | MasterShake wrote: | | Holy Crap! Joe Haschem is a member here?!?!?! |
I think that was Moneymaker's vote. |
that was a damn fine joke :D
/my hat is off to you sir 
Posted Wed May 17, 2006 1:50 pm GMT by shorn7
Raymer by a landslide. When Phil Ivey says that you are an "excellent tournament player", look out. I have also personally seen him at FW and he crushes the games there as well.
On top of it all, a really nice guy too.
As for Moneymaker...Hee Haw, Hee Haw
Posted Fri May 19, 2006 12:41 am GMT by kainARGH
on a side note I REALLY can't wait to see how raymor does this year. I was slightly bummed out last year when dan got knocked out kinda early , was a shame. This year raymor did so well I think it will be really interesting to see if he can put on an incredible performance for a third year in a row.
Posted Thu May 25, 2006 5:19 pm GMT by JpForum
hahah oh man moneymaker hasnt even got a vote yet.... its so ture though hes a terrible player
Posted Thu May 25, 2006 5:36 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| JpForum wrote: | | hahah oh man moneymaker hasnt even got a vote yet.... its so ture though hes a terrible player |
I bet he's still as good as, and probably better than anyone on this forum.
I haven't seen him make classic "fish" moves. He played that AA brilliantly against Lederer. He got Farha to lay down top pair. He busted Johnny Chan with top pair + a flush draw in a great call.
Are you telling me with his chips stack YOU wouldn't have put Humberto all-in with that 88 that cracked Humberto Brenes' Aces? Are you telling me YOU wouldn't have called Phil Ivey's all-in with 3 Queens?
Sure Moneymaker got lucky. So did Raymer and Hachem. But I haven't seen anyone here win the Main Event or make a WPT final table, so why don't we all just lay off the Moneymaker bashing?
Posted Thu May 25, 2006 8:18 pm GMT by kainARGH
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | so why don't we all just lay off the Moneymaker bashing? |
NEVER! 
But seriously, moneymaker is only "bad" compared to the top top pros - other then that he can fair his own.
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