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Posted Sat May 20, 2006 10:50 am GMT by kingetje
so this is something ive been thinking about lately after a hand that came u8p some time ago.
i had K-9 and it was a pot with just me and another player in it. he is a very loopy player who plays LOW cards the same way a normal player would play BIG cards... becaue "he has the same chance of hitting the flop with them" as he says... he also will call any raise preflop with anything and will call you down to the river with any pair he has unless you put him all-in.. thats when he starts to think about it.
now i was dealer.. i had position. flop is 6-6-9... he bets out.. i immediately put him on the 9, not the 6. i figured he will slowplay that 6.. so i WANTED to raise him so badly... but i changed my mind and figured let me smooth call to make it look like im slowplaying the 6 and i am luring him in.. so i just called.
turn: another 6. im like DAMN! no way i can convince him now i have that 6.... so he bets again.. i RAISE! he calls. now i know he doesnt have the 6.
river is a 5. now he checks... "oh my god" i think.. this is my goddamn opportunity.. i pickup 5 highesy denomiation chips to make it too expensive to call with just the 9 after what ive been representing, but then i drop 2 back and bet jut 3, making it look like im trying to extract as much as possible with my QUADS... and he says "if you have the 6 im gonna kill you"...and calls and shows a 9,.. split pot.
DAMMIT! i think to myself.. i knew i could have taken down the pot so easily if i had just made a few alterations to my play because of my opponent. another player at the table who i consider the best player at our home game said to me "i would have folded"... so i made the good player believe i had the quads but the calling station donk like player couldnt lay it down....
so then i knew that i did play it right and my intentions were pretty correct, but because of my opponent i should have played it differently... more straightforward with what i was trying to represent.. i was pretty pissed we had to split the pot and it wasnt mine just because i knew i could outplay him but he just couldnt lay it down.... i should have raised the feckin flop..
how do you all play in a situation where there is a pair on the board and you have the other card... and what if you do have the trips. some thoughts..
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Posted Sat May 20, 2006 1:33 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I don't think he played that hand badly, I'm no fan over his turn call since I'd go for a raise instead (pending on pf action). I'm not saying he is a good player, just saying that he played this hand just fine. In most low stakes games I have played, folding the river here would be horrible,
Posted Mon May 29, 2006 3:23 pm GMT by 72o
The answer is simple. Fold immideately if you dont make a hand and raise him if you are ahead. Since his philosophy is to call just everything you will make the bigger pots.
Remember: Poker is not about winning hands but about winning money 
Posted Tue May 30, 2006 12:19 am GMT by Jauron
Force him to a decision, move it in if you think it's a split pot.
Post Oak bluffs in this case are silly, the guy doesn't even have to be right most of the time to make this a good call. There is no way the 6 reraises on the turn anyways, so you blew your chance to represent the hand right there.
Moving in at least makes him think you might have an overpair to the 9, but the gig is up on the 6. The buddy who said he would have laid it down couldn't have though you had the 6, and been that great of a player. The 6 would have played it slow until the river where he would have probably overbet a bit to get any reasonable hand to call him down, OR if he did reraise with the 6 he doesn't have to slow play the river, he can bet out big expecting a call. The 6 doesn't reraise the turn and then puss out on the river.
Posted Tue May 30, 2006 8:52 am GMT by kingetje
| Quote: | | The 6 doesn't reraise the turn and then puss out on the river. |
its all about the opponent you're facing
Posted Tue May 30, 2006 12:42 pm GMT by Jauron
You mean the one that calls you down unless you move all in, and yet you make a play he won't respond to and are confused about the results.
Please explain to me how the 9 gets away from a value bet here without being someone who gets walked over a lot.
Posted Tue May 30, 2006 8:35 pm GMT by kingetje
| Jauron wrote: | | You mean the one that calls you down unless you move all in, and yet you make a play he won't respond to and are confused about the results. |
exactly, i played it wrong, thats why i said i should have played it differently
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