Posted Mon May 22, 2006 6:06 pm GMT by conolly
I called on the river out of frustration...
***** Hand History for Game 4335773310 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $11 Buy-in Trny:23924138 Level:1 Blinds(20/40) - Monday, May 22, 18:47:51 ET 2006
Table Angry Artichoke (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Splitting10s ( $2000 )
Seat 3: ur2gud ( $1920 )
Seat 4: snaketoe22 ( $2280 )
Seat 9: ken5520 ( $2180 )
Seat 6: Brownbear211 ( $1960 )
Seat 10: Eekers9 ( $1960 )
Seat 5: cool_novice ( $1660 )
Seat 7: conolly ( $2060 )
Seat 8: trinity307 ( $3980 )
Trny:23924138 Level:1
Blinds(20/40)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to conolly  
trinity307 folds.
ken5520 calls 40.
Eekers9 folds.
Splitting10s folds.
ur2gud folds.
snaketoe22 calls 40.
cool_novice calls 40.
Brownbear211 calls 20.
conolly checks.
** Dealing Flop **   
Brownbear211 checks.
conolly bets 200.
ken5520 calls 200.
snaketoe22 folds.
cool_novice folds.
Brownbear211 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** 
conolly bets 600.
ken5520 calls 600.
** Dealing River ** 
conolly checks.
ken5520 bets 600.
conolly calls 600.
ken5520 shows   a flush, ace high.
conolly doesn't show a flush, queen high.
ken5520 wins 3000 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high with ace kicker.
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Posted Mon May 22, 2006 6:14 pm GMT by zinn0
I doubt pushing the turn changes things. He has a pair, although it is only bottom pair, and the nut draw. He's more than likely calling anything.
Posted Mon May 22, 2006 6:50 pm GMT by Johny
Your pot sized bet on the turn is fine. You have to fold the river though, he's played the hand like a flopped flush/ flush draw or maybe a passively played flopped set.
Posted Tue May 23, 2006 8:08 am GMT by crack
Its the start of the tourney then. Is this a MTT or SNG?
Don't be results orientated. Ok, so he had the nut flush draw on the turn and you're thinking now "Damn if I had gone all in I could have stopped him drawing. He would have layed it down I bet"
I say shoulda woulda coulda and I have never said that on an Internet message board ever in my life, but meh.
I am going to check fold the river and this is why.
You are playing an unknown player. It's the start of a tourney.
Bet pot on flop, he calls when its one suited. Bet pot on turn, he calls.
What can he have? Ok, he could be really shit and overplaying KJ or QJ. Then again he could have KJ or QJ with the K or Q being a spade. If he has AJ then your stuffed anyway.
If I was your villan and I was holding any strong hand such as trips and flush draw, flush, house Then I would play it exactly how he did. He has position and can just keep on calling till you stop betting. So you stop on the river. You are scared now and think it may be a trap. I will make a nice teaser bet just to get some more chips out of you. Especially now the 4th spade has hit.
I have not long woke up so not sure how clear this is.
Basically where I am going with this is the way that he played it, with NO INFO on the player, it looks like more often than not you are beat. The question is not to push on the turn, but to fold on the river.
I'd say fold.
I really prefer doing hand analysis without the results though.
Posted Tue May 23, 2006 9:04 am GMT by Poto
I think you played it fine except the river call (know you said it was frustration).
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