Posted Wed May 24, 2006 1:36 pm GMT by Ciso_B
#Game No : 4350194391
***** Hand History for Game 4350194391 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 24, 14:27:20 ET 2006
Table Table 107422 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: jryanm7 ( $382.64 )
Seat 4: beardzman ( $280.65 )
Seat 5: k02z23 ( $324.92 )
Seat 6: Ciso_B ( $125.75 )
Seat 1: golferboy614 ( $94 )
Seat 3: yoPetey ( $192 )
beardzman posts small blind $1.
k02z23 posts big blind $2.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ciso_B  
Ciso_B calls $2.
golferboy614 folds.
jryanm7 raises $4.
yoPetey folds.
beardzman calls $3.
k02z23 folds.
Ciso_B calls $2.
** Dealing Flop **   
beardzman checks.
Ciso_B checks.
jryanm7 bets $5.
beardzman calls $5.
Ciso_B raises $20.
jryanm7 calls $15.
beardzman folds.
** Dealing Turn ** 
Ciso_B checks.
jryanm7 bets $6.
Ciso_B calls $6.
** Dealing River ** 
Ciso_B checks.
jryanm7 bets $10.
Ciso_B calls $10.
jryanm7 shows   two pairs, aces and sixes.
Ciso_B shows two pairs, aces and jacks.
Ciso_B wins $88 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and jacks.
Game #4350200671 starts.
Just thinking do you think i played this hand badly , i mean some might make more money here re raising on 4th st or river.
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Posted Wed May 24, 2006 2:21 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
I would've definitely raised preflop....6 ppl is short handed, make em pay to see that flop...
Personally, I would've been betting more than likely, but I suppose your read on the dude was good enuf to check the turn and river...in general tho, you should be leading the charge, you dont wanna be playing this quietly unless you've got a monster
That turn bet of his was pretty wussy...the pot at that point is like $54...a bet of $6 is less than nothing
When thinking about the raise on the river...the only thing he could be beating you with at that point is KcQc (altho his odds weren't good for calling the raise on the flop)...or maybe a boat from a set of 2's, but that seems pretty unlikely from the preflop play....A6 is quite a long shot....however, i prolly woulda just called at that point too
Keep in mind too that if you leave out the showdown results you'll get more objective answers from ppl in the future....then afterwards let ppl know wut happened
Posted Wed May 24, 2006 2:34 pm GMT by TxShadow
I definately would have lead out on the turn. Two clubs on the flop and he calls $15 more, he could easily have 2 clubs here. It would have sucked if you check called the turn, then when you checked the Jc on the river, if he'd pushed, you would have been faced with a tough decision. Even worse would have been if you had checked the turn and he took a free card and then made a big bet or push when the 3rd club hit on the river.
In retrospect, I really don't know that you could have made much more money on the hand than you did. I just think that playing a 2 flushed board that way is risky.
Posted Wed May 24, 2006 3:47 pm GMT by shorn7
Once you take the lead with the CR on the flop, I think you have to lead the turn in case he has only clubs. He didn't raise you preflop, so he most likely doesn't hold AK or AQ. I would probably bet around 3/4 of the pot on the turn and he probably goes away, but that is OK.
On the river, I think you lead again but more of a value play as in case he has the flush, you don't lose too much. I think around 1/3 would be right.
Posted Wed May 24, 2006 5:40 pm GMT by Ciso_B
yes i kinda thought i was outkicked on flop when he called me, hence the check on the turn.
Posted Thu May 25, 2006 7:34 am GMT by fiezk
| Ciso_B wrote: | | yes i kinda thought i was outkicked on flop when he called me, hence the check on the turn. |
That's what I feared when reading the hand history. The min-raise pf is a bit tricky, was that normal for him? When he called your check-raise on the flop it seems clear that he raised pf because he had an ace, and that he wasn't unhappy with his kicker. Sure he might have two high clubs, but not as likely. Given that information, villains hand-range (in my eyes) would be such that you are most likely beaten.
I don't mind the limp pf. I wouldn't mind a raise either, but by raising you are basically eliminating all aces that you can beat, while keeping the ones you can't.
Posted Thu May 25, 2006 8:39 am GMT by UrAteUp
Raise pre-flop...limping in with hands like AK, AQ, AJ or A10 is asking for trouble. You try slow playing one of these hands and you'r likely to get beat. Other then that I think I would have checked the river as well. Sure it means you wind up leaving money on the table but at least your not paying him off more if he has you beat.
Posted Thu May 25, 2006 6:18 pm GMT by Ciso_B
I often would but i like to limp this type of hand too, its not like its asuch a monster to slowplay anyway.
Posted Thu May 25, 2006 6:34 pm GMT by Phil14312
Limping in preflop with hands like that does not mean he's trying to slowplay it URateup. Those are dangerous hands to be playing in raised pots, half the time I limp and half the time I would raise with AJ.
Posted Thu May 25, 2006 6:58 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I don't think AJ is a particularily dangerous hand as long as we're the actual raiser.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:40 am GMT by Idaho
I don't understand this hand at all. Why did you call it, then check the flop? Did you feel pretty sure you were ahead on the flop and so wanted to squeeze more money out of it?
I think I am missing something...
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:21 am GMT by gol4pro
Easy raise UTG in 6max. Limping here is really nitty.
But since you misclicked, go ahead and call preflop.
Flop CR is awful. Why are you trying to bloat the pot with top pair 3rd kicker where you really have no idea how strong your hand is in comparison to the other hands out there? ESPECIALLY since there is the club draw out there, any  turn is going to be very akward to play give stack sizes and a bloated pot on the turn. Basically, you're setting yourself up for a huge mistake to get it all in with top pair 3rd kicker in a f*cking min-raised pot preflop. That's awful in and of itself.
Just because villian had AT this time and nobody hit a club draw does not mean you played this hand well. Sorry for sounding so harsh, but I'm just trying to save you from going broke here when we're 2nd best.
here's what I suggest;
a) Lead for 3/4 of the pot on the flop. If you're raised, you can be pretty sure you're beat and move out of the way with a loss of ~12$ instead of 200$
b) OR call the flop and donkbet 3/4 of the pot on the turn. I would only recommend this against an opponent that will continuation bet underpairs and worse Ax hands.
c) I like your turn check a lot as a matter of fact. You only want to play for stacks if you're forced to, so let your opponent bet a worse hand instead of you feeling like you have to lead and then bloating the pot even more.
d) Lead the river and fold to a raise.... because this exact thing happens. You lose value from worse 2 pair hands. I would say that you should only check this river if you think villian is creative enough to pull a bluff-raise on the river.... which im about 1000% sure he's not creative enough to do given the donkish way he played this hand.
You are very lucky villian had AT this time. Every other time villian has AK and AQ, you're really going to be regretting that flop CR.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:09 am GMT by Ciso_B
| Quote: | | ESPECIALLY since there is the club draw out there, any turn is going to be very akward to play give stack sizes and a bloated pot on the turn. |
Thats why I made it $20 to go and didnt min riase or make it $12/$15. I have forced the error if he has a club draw.If he had a hand like AQ/AKmaybe he ll shut down or slow down on turn and river and id have saved as much money ? And I was right in a way, he fires out only $6 on turn.
| Quote: | | I don't understand this hand at all. Why did you call it, then check the flop? Did you feel pretty sure you were ahead on the flop and so wanted to squeeze more money out of it? |
I am just playing careful, but also throwing the raiser some leash, I know once checked to hes gonna fire on the flop no matter what, and theres only the Ace there really. I cr to see where im at aswell more then anything else, I dont think i played the flop too bad . If he re raises on the flop I will fold.
My main query was whether once called on flop , should or could i look for value on turn or river, especially since i rivered 2 pair.
| Quote: | | You are very lucky villian had AT this time. Every other time villian has AK and AQ, you're really going to be regretting that flop CR. |
This has some truth, but generally in this kind of game, players tend to riase more pre flop with hands like AK, a min riase is often suited connectors , rag ace suited , small pairs etc.
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