Posted Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:31 am GMT by iandrum
Party Poker ($0.05 no limit). Hand converted by Check Raised hand converter: http://www.checkraised.com/site/apps/hh/index.php
MP1 ($5.43) (MP1)
CO ($10.79) (CO)
HERO ($3.86)   (MP3)
LP ($5.48) (LP)
MP2 ($3.96) (MP2)
BTN ($3.07) (BTN)
UTG+1 ($6.76) (UTG+1)
BB ($2.64) (BB)
SB ($6.58) (SB)
UTG ($4.96) (UTG)
Preflop (10 players):
2 folds.
MP1 calls ($0.04) 2.5:1.
1 fold.
HERO calls ($0.04) 3.5:1.
LP calls ($0.04) 4.5:1.
CO calls ($0.04) 5.5:1.
BTN calls ($0.04) 6.5:1.
SB calls ($0.02) 14:1.
BB checks.
Flop (5.6 bets ($0.28) in pot, 7 players):
3h Tc 7d
SB checks.
BB checks.
MP1 bets $0.04.
HERO raises $0.25.
LP folds 2.28:1.
CO folds 2.28:1.
BTN folds 2.28:1.
SB folds 2.28:1.
BB folds 2.28:1.
MP1 calls ($0.21) 3.71:1.
Turn (15.6 bets ($0.78) in pot, 2 players):
3h Tc 7d 9c
MP1 checks.
HERO bets $0.40.
MP1 raises $0.80.
HERO raises $1.10.
MP1 calls ($0.70) 5.4:1.
River (75.6 bets ($3.78) in pot, 2 players):
3h Tc 7d 9c 2h
MP1 checks.
HERO bets $1.00.
MP1 calls ($1.00) 5.78:1.
Summary:
3h Tc 7d 9c 2h
MP1 has Three of a kind, Threes   and won $5.53 (55.3bb)
HERO has Two pair, Tens and Nines
Would you have paid him off here? Once I hit two pair I was sure I was ahead, putting him on a ten with a good kicker, or maybe an overpair. The thought of him having a PP hit a set never crossed my mind. Would you have been able to let go when he started playing back?
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Posted Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:18 pm GMT by zinn0
I would have folded preflop.
Posted Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:50 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I agree with Zinn0 on the fold issue.
And buddylist MP1, he is a complete moron.
As for two pair, two pair is a strong hand but it is also the single most overvalued holding you will ever see in Texas Hold'Em, this is especially true for hands like bottom two pair or top/bottom pair.
Two pair is hard, because it so damn....situational...there is no hard and fast rule, the only thing true most of the time is that it is hard to fold. But the endline is that some opponents will never give tons of action with a hand that two pair beats (especially bottom two pair), others will.
So basically, you have only question you need to ask yourself:
Do you think this opponent will check-raise the turn with a hand that your top two pair beats?
Posted Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:29 pm GMT by iandrum
A similar hand. Again, I didn't see it coming (even though this time there were two of them). I guess the problem is that two pair is just about good enough to get me happily putting money in, and the set is so well concealed (hell, that's why I love 'em when I get them). Straights and flushes use so many cards that you can see them coming and fold the two pair. If I just had a pair I would quickly fold to the resistance*. But two pair....
I'll try to treat them more cautiously in future.
*Actually, this time, a lot of the betting was when it was just TPTK. Oops.
Party Poker ($0.05 no limit). Hand converted by Check Raised hand converter: http://www.checkraised.com/site/apps/hh/index.php
LP ($2.13) (LP)
BTN ($0.32) (BTN)
MP2 ($20.27) (MP2)
MP3 ($1.23) (MP3)
HERO ($7.67)   (UTG)
SB ($3.26) (SB)
BB ($7.15) (BB)
CO ($4.36) (CO)
MP1 ($5.00) (MP1)
UTG+1 ($5.00) (UTG+1)
Preflop (10 players):
HERO raises $0.12.
UTG+1 calls ($0.08) 4.25:1.
1 fold.
MP2 calls ($0.12) 3.83:1.
MP3 calls ($0.12) 4.83:1.
4 folds.
BB calls ($0.08) 8.25:1.
Flop (13.2 bets ($0.66) in pot, 5 players):
Th 2c 9d
BB bets $0.33.
HERO raises $0.66.
UTG+1 folds 2.5:1.
MP2 folds 2.5:1.
MP3 raises $1.11.
BB calls ($0.78) 4.54:1.
HERO calls ($0.45) 8.87:1.
Turn (79.8 bets ($3.99) in pot, 3 players):
Th 2c 9d As
BB bets $0.42.
HERO calls ($0.42) 11.5:1.
River (96.6 bets ($4.83) in pot, 3 players):
Th 2c 9d As 8h
BB bets $0.50.
HERO calls ($0.50) 11.66:1.
Summary:
Th 2c 9d As 8h
MP3 has Three of a kind, Deuces  
HERO has Two pair, Aces and Tens
BB has Three of a kind, Nines  and won $5.58 (55.8bb)
Posted Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:42 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
I really can't say I understand ANY of the betting in this hand. To many small/min bets and raises, it doesnt really make any sense to me..... If you have a had like 2 pair, you gotta make a more significant raise to find out where you are. Both sets played their hands poorly as well. On that board I would assume a set is the best hand and would want to get a hefty raise in there. The way you make good decisions in poker is by getting as much information as you can, and making small bets doesnt do that. As for the bet on the river, its only 50 cents into an almost 5$ pot, with top 2 pair you are calling if not raising every time.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:11 am GMT by Poto
Just muck this preflop and you'll be fine.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:23 am GMT by gol4pro
Can you use some sort of converter or just do it manually? I can't follow the action here at all.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:17 pm GMT by UrAteUp
In my opinion that first hand you played you should have played at all. Given your position, hands like this are garbage.
Second hand you should have raised more pre-flop. Your playing micro-poker (which there is nothing wrong with these stakes) and raises of 3xBB just don't get attention and get enough people out of the hand. As for your play after the flop. Why the re-raise? Didn't think A10 could be beat? It is a pretty good indication that someone has a better hand when you raise and get re-riased. This is a good time to start thinking about a few things.
What hands can beat you here that might enter into a pot with that type of a raise? How has the other players been playing to this point? Have they been playing with alot of garbage? Have they tried to execute several bluffs? If the answer to one or all of those questions is No then you might want to start thinking your two pair is not good here.
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