Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:01 am GMT by raisebot
Please, responses from only people that have played both brick and mortar casino poker, and online poker.
Tournaments/Sit N Go's/cash games, doesn't matter..
I know there are tons of factors that influence each game you play, but as a whole which is generally easier to beat/win at?
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Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:46 am GMT by TxShadow
C. It depends.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:47 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| TxShadow wrote: | | C. It depends. |
Almost never. At equal stakes, live play is almost always easier to beat.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:54 am GMT by shorn7
I disagree. There are far more donkeys online than are willing to travel to the casino. I would say getting specific reads on players is much easier live; but the quality of play live is much better (in my experience) than online.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:58 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| shorn7 wrote: | | I disagree. There are far more donkeys online than are willing to travel to the casino. I would say getting specific reads on players is much easier live; but the quality of play live is much better (in my experience) than online. |
But the morons online aren't playing $4/$8...
The day that casinos offer .05/.10 NL, then perhaps the quality of the casino player will catch up to that of the online player at comparable stakes.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:01 am GMT by Dave B
there are a LOT more idiots live than online.
Casinos get people that just love the rush of gambling much more than online sites.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:33 am GMT by TxShadow
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | TxShadow wrote: | | C. It depends. |
Almost never. At equal stakes, live play is almost always easier to beat. |
That's a valid point. However, I didn't want to generalize. There are definately people that prefer online.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:35 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| TxShadow wrote: | | That's a valid point. However, I don't like to generalize. There are definately people that prefer online. |
| No Limit wrote: | | I know there are tons of factors that influence each game you play, but as a whole which is generally easier to beat/win at? |
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:35 am GMT by TxShadow
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | TxShadow wrote: | | That's a valid point. However, I don't like to generalize. There are definately people that prefer online. |
| No Limit wrote: | | I know there are tons of factors that influence each game you play, but as a whole which is generally easier to beat/win at? |
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Haha, I need some coffee or something 
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:04 pm GMT by groton
Live poker is the Best
You can get Reads better live poker.
and like already been said
A 100Max Buy in player at the Casino is no way as good as a 100Doller Max buy in player online.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:29 pm GMT by shorn7
Well, I play $2/$4 and $5/$10 NL both live and online and I am telling you in my experience, the donkeys are everywhere online and less in live play. Add to that the fact that you can get sooooo many more hands in online than live and I think it makes up for the difference in the reads that you get in live play that you ddon't online.
I am not saying that there aren't good players online too...but, they are pretty easy to spot and you just wait it out and clean up against the donks.
BTW, I used to think the opposite...that live play was better than online, but I have changed my mind after a significant number of hours of live play.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:39 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| shorn7 wrote: | | BTW, I used to think the opposite...that live play was better than online, but I have changed my mind after a significant number of hours of live play. |
Perhaps it's different the higher you go. $1/$2 NL, and $2/$4-$8/$16 FL live is a cakewalk compared to your average online table at those same stakes.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:01 pm GMT by suitedaces84
If the 5/10 games online were as good as the 5/10 live games I've played I'd have a lot of money right now.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:35 pm GMT by mindgame
I am curious where "Shorn" (above) plays, that is, which online sites.
After several years now, I am astonished (and chagrined) at how good online players really are. I play live and I do not see anywhere near the the number of solid players I see online. For example, it's not at all rare to see some live players see between 40% and 60% of flops. It IS rare to find live players who see fewer than 25%--and I'm talking 10-20 and 15-30 here. Any live game with only 3 or 4 players seeing the flop is unusually tight--but I find that that to be the norm at most of the limits I play online, although I do NOT risk the stakes online that I do in live play.
To my considerable amazment (and no little expense) I find online players to be entirely TOO solid. When I check I find many 3/6 and 5/10 guys playing on as many as nine tables. These guys are seeing 8%-15% of the flops. Yes their play is predictable and somewhat formulaic, but they do seem to know exactly what they are doing. Think about it. You play 8 tables and average a measly $8-$9/hour and you are hauling in $64 to $72/hour. My god that's a lot of money, especially if you don't pay income and other taxes on it.
--not that I even KNOW anyone who would avoid his civic duty in such matters, but I've heard rumors that some such scoundrels do, indeed, exist.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:19 pm GMT by mikenike
i picked online, because i never played poker at a casino before, at least not a legal one 8)
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:36 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
| No Limit wrote: | | Please, responses from only people that have played both brick and mortar casino poker, and online poker. |
Haha, busted Mike! Only reason I posted this is because I too, have never played at a casino as I'm too young.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:36 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
| mikenike wrote: | | i picked online, because i never played poker at a casino before, at least not a legal one 8) |
| No Limit wrote: | | Please, responses from only people that have played both brick and mortar casino poker, and online poker. |
Haha, busted Mike! Only reason I posted this is because I too, have never played at a casino as I'm too young.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:38 pm GMT by mikenike
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | mikenike wrote: | | i picked online, because i never played poker at a casino before, at least not a legal one 8) |
| No Limit wrote: | | Please, responses from only people that have played both brick and mortar casino poker, and online poker. |
Haha, busted Mike! Only reason I posted this is because I too, have never played at a casino as I'm too young. |
I'm not busted i was playing at a casino it just wasen't legal! busted double posts
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:45 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
I beleive OP stated "B n M" 
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:09 am GMT by sinc
| shorn7 wrote: | Well, I play $2/$4 and $5/$10 NL both live and online and I am telling you in my experience, the donkeys are everywhere online and less in live play. Add to that the fact that you can get sooooo many more hands in online than live and I think it makes up for the difference in the reads that you get in live play that you ddon't online.
I am not saying that there aren't good players online too...but, they are pretty easy to spot and you just wait it out and clean up against the donks.
BTW, I used to think the opposite...that live play was better than online, but I have changed my mind after a significant number of hours of live play. |
Sorry play money online doesn't count. At comparable stakes its Live and its not even close. Anyone who says otherwise either sucks or just doesnt play live poker.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:02 am GMT by shorn7
OK Sinc, whatever. I play both for real money, online and at FW and I stick by what I have said.
Why is it that I can't have a different experience/opinion on this site without getting skewered? Do you all know where and how often I play? Do any of you even know me?? I didn't think so.
From now on, let's "agree to disagree" on things like this and not say "I'm right or your wrong." If you notice, in my posts on this topic I state "In my experience" everywhere.
This is not black and white.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:56 am GMT by weirdofreek
| shorn7 wrote: | OK Sinc, whatever. I play both for real money, online and at FW and I stick by what I have said.
Why is it that I can't have a different experience/opinion on this site without getting skewered? Do you all know where and how often I play? Do any of you even know me?? I didn't think so.
From now on, let's "agree to disagree" on things like this and not say "I'm right or your wrong." If you notice, in my posts on this topic I state "In my experience" everywhere.
This is not black and white. |
No one is trying to put you down, people just like to give others a hard time. Don't you have disscussions an debates with your friends? or do you just say "you and I don't agree so lets talk about something else" life would be pretty boring if every conversation you had was on stuff you and the other person agreed about.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:38 am GMT by mikenike
| shorn7 wrote: | OK Sinc, whatever. I play both for real money, online and at FW and I stick by what I have said.
Why is it that I can't have a different experience/opinion on this site without getting skewered? Do you all know where and how often I play? Do any of you even know me?? I didn't think so.
From now on, let's "agree to disagree" on things like this and not say "I'm right or your wrong." If you notice, in my posts on this topic I state "In my experience" everywhere.
This is not black and white. |
yeah, no one is making fun of you trust me i use to say what ur saying right now everyday and i was so mad when me an johnny go into a fight bout dumb crap. So just if it's bothering you, just ask nicely to stop
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:00 pm GMT by zinn0
Mike actually got slapped with the ban stick for it.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:27 pm GMT by mindgame
shorn:
Two places where thin skin is a big impediment:
Poker.
Forums of any kind.
There are perfectly nice people (me for instance) whom you might believe to be complete ass clowns because of the way they behave in either setting. My post, btw, was NOT to disagree with your assessment of online--I really would like to find an online game I can beat. Where the heck DO you play online? You never said.
Twice this week I've made top set and gotten beat by quads on the river and turn. Now that has NEVER happened to me in 10 years of casino play. Twice in ONE WEEK--wtf.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:32 pm GMT by shorn7
mind-
OK, you are right...I potentially over-reacted and I apologize to the forum at large.
I have had quads beat at a casino more than once with 1 card str8 flushes, so it does happen.
As for where I play online, hmmm...I am not at liberty to say simply because I don't want more sharks (like all you guys) infesting the waters there. Let's just say that I have found an online site that is tailor-made for me where the fishies are plentiful. Sure, you have your drawouts, but that can happen anywhere.
My home casion is Foxwoods where I play 5 or 6 times per year. I also get out to Vegas two or three times per year and play mostly at Bellagio and Wynn.
Abywa, thanks for reminding me that I need to thicken the old hyde.
Shorn
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:54 pm GMT by Johny
| shorn7 wrote: | | As for where I play online, hmmm...I am not at liberty to say simply because I don't want more sharks (like all you guys) infesting the waters there. |
I never understood this kind of thinking. I mean it's like there was a top secret site or something.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:56 pm GMT by zinn0
There is a top secret site Johny. You didn't get the memo?
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:01 pm GMT by mindgame
I UNDERSTAND that thinking...
In fact, I'm flattered by it. . . on the other hand, it's just a damn shame when you can't get an invite to the dance. Might have been something I said (see, even online, you pay for your sins).
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:30 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| zinn0 wrote: | | There is a top secret site Johny. You didn't get the memo? |
It's not very secret if there's all these memos.
Almost universally, I have found live Poker to be looser, juicier, and easier than online Poker. The down sides are that there are very few good tournament structures, and the rake can be painfully high at stakes much below $8/$16 or so (sometimes the rake is almost negligible in a loose $6/$12 game). I played Poker at one Northern CA casino where they raked $4 in every hand of $3/$6, regardless of the pot size. That amounted to over 20% rake on some hands, which is inexcusable.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:34 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | I have found live Poker to be looser, juicier, and easier than online Poker. |
I must agree. Though live poker requires somewhat of a "poker face", the reads are so much easier to get in live play. Online, you just have to wonder. You can't see the guy jumping up and down in his living room saying "I have a straight flush. Call me, Bitch!" You can see it in their eyes in live play.
Posted Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:53 am GMT by groton
| shorn7 wrote: |
My home casion is Foxwoods where I play 5 or 6 times per year. I also get out to Vegas two or three times per year and play mostly at Bellagio and Wynn.
Shorn |
and your saying its easyer online then the 1/2NL games at Foxwood's
Defently my home casino (I am there almost everyWeekend only live Ten or so Miles to the south)
Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:28 pm GMT by supafrey
I voted live as being easier. It's not even close. HOWEVER..
That's comparing 1 table vs. 1 table at equal stakes.... I can't play 5 tables in person and my rake is much higher at the casino, yeah?
First person to make a stupid joke about multi-ing live gets a punch.
Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:30 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| supafrey wrote: | | I can't play 5 tables in person |
Slacker!
Bring it, baby!
pip pip
Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:46 pm GMT by supafrey
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | supafrey wrote: | | I can't play 5 tables in person |
Slacker!
Bring it, baby!
pip pip |
If you put on some lace I'll bring it all you want.
Posted Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:08 am GMT by shorn7
Groton-
I play the $2/$5 NL at FW or the $5/$10 NL, so I can't comment on the $1/$2 game. That being said, I have found that the competition online at comparable stakes to be easier. I generally will play two to three tables online at comparable levels.
I am not saying that the FW games are bad...on the contrary, they are pretty good on the weekends. But, I have a higher win rate online (taking into account multi-tabling) than I do live.
Shorn
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