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Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:13 am GMT by iandrum
Party Poker ($0.05 no limit). Hand converted by Check Raised hand converter: http://www.checkraised.com/site/apps/hh/index.php
MP1 ($1.68) (MP1)
MP2 ($5.38) (MP2)
MP3 ($2.28) (MP3)
CO ($4.39) (CO)
SB ($5.45) (SB)
BB ($2.09) (BB)
UTG ($12.16) (UTG)
UTG+1 ($0.77) (UTG+1)
HERO ($7.08)   (BTN)
LP ($4.72) (LP)
Preflop (10 players):
UTG raises $0.08.
2 folds.
MP2 calls ($0.08) 2.75:1.
3 folds.
Hero ????
Not sure whether I played this one well, or not. I'm very worried about UTG's min raise... he has shown himself to be a "tricky" player, although I haven't yet seen enough to decide whether he's successful or not. As far as I can tell, the early position min raise could mean anything from AA to KJo (and probably lots of other stuff).
I suppose the safest strategy is to fold, and not bother getting involved with someone who I don't like the looks of, but I am strangely attracted to my KQs, and need to find out where I am, so I raise to 0.16.
But folding would probably have been the right decision? And calling is the worst possible thing I can do?
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Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:29 am GMT by Dat_Dude
I don't mind a raise here since you have position, but for the love of everything that is Holy....DON'T min-raise!!!!! The purpose of raising here would either be to pick the pot up now or isolate you with one other player in the pot. A min-raise accomplishes neither of these. If you want to represent a big hand, pop it up to $.35-$.40.
Another option is to call and get more information on the flop. If UTG has a medium PP and a couple overs fall on the board, a standard continuation bet might get them to fold a better hand.
KQs is a pretty nice hand especially in position. I think folding here is incorrect.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:50 am GMT by tame_deuces
I love a call, we got position and a big suited connector.
Raising to 'find out where you are at' is something bad players do, you got position, your opponent will tell you on later streets where you are at.
Raise if he is lagtard who will raise with all kinds of junk.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:13 am GMT by gol4pro
Easiest call ever.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:24 pm GMT by UrAteUp
This is the type of hands that dreams are made of. Like tamed says you have position and a good solid starting hand. Don't be affraid to play it. Remember your playing micro level poker. A min raise here is the equivlant of trying to swat flys with a cocktail straw, it just doesn't work.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:39 pm GMT by iandrum
Ok, I get that the min raise is bad, but I still don't like just plain calling in this situation. If the flop contained a king or queen I wouldn't be happy and probably think that I'm dominated, so I feel I'd be going for the straight/flush.
In fact, villain made a big reraise (to about $0.70 I think) and I laid it down preflop.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:07 pm GMT by Geno
| iandrum wrote: | | Ok, I get that the min raise is bad, but I still don't like just plain calling in this situation. If the flop contained a king or queen I wouldn't be happy and probably think that I'm dominated, so I feel I'd be going for the straight/flush. |
Like Tame said, later streets will give you information. If you call here and then stab at any flop, you are going to get more information than if you raise pre-flop what you would stab on the flop and then he smooth calls that. That really puts you on the back foot and you have to stab a bigger amount on the flop to see where you are as you have bloated the pot up with your raise pre-flop.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:17 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
I am with both Tame & Geno. Raising here "for information" will do what exactly? What kind of information are you expeting to get preflop? If you raise and he REraised, all it does is narrow the range of hands he has a LITTLE. Sure, he could be sitting on AA-QQ, but what if he is making this play with JJ-99 or AX? If you hit the board and he bets out, THAT is when you need to get information.
If you absolutely hate the call in this spot, then reraise big and go from there. Min-raising is worse than folding here, IMO.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:54 pm GMT by zinn0
A wise old man once said, "Everytime you minraise, God kills a kitten."
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