Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:01 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
Playing $2-5 NL Live. Hero just sits down with $250 and has no reads on any player at the table.
Hero (BB) - A  J 
3 Folds to Villain (~$500).
Villain (MP) - Raises to $20
Folds around to Hero.
Hero CALLS - Maybe folding here is a better play since I will be OOP the rest of the hand?
Pot ($42)
FLOP:
2 6 T
Now I was watching Villain when the flop came out, and he seemed to not care what hit and was already reaching for chips even though I was first to act. My read at this point was high PP, probably QQ or KK.
Hero CHECKS
Villain BETS $60
Hero????
I viewed this as a pretty good bet by him. He didn't want to give me any sort of odds to see the turn if I had the flush draw. At this point, if I called and missed, I was almost certainly going to be facing a bet probably for most of my chips.
If my read is correct and he had QQ or KK, that puts me at about 43% to catch the winning hand if I see both the turn and the river. If he has Aces, then I am left with just the spades.
What's YOUR play here?
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Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:23 pm GMT by Phil14312
Well, if you really don't care about that buy-in (meaning you are sufficiently bankrolled for 2/5) and you think he might lay down QQ or KK, I push. If, on the other hand, it damage you pyschologically for the next few hours, I would lay it down.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:35 pm GMT by Johny
I hate flat calling here, because if Villain is any good you won't get paid off if you make a flush. I don't call down to hit a draw if I think Villain won't pay me off.
That being said, I push here.
Posted Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:25 pm GMT by shorn7
I think this is an easy fold. Unless you think you can push him off an overpair to the board, then you should cut your losses (I would have folded this preflop BTW since it was your first hand and you had no reads). From what you say, it appears that you don't think you can get him to lay down AA-QQ here with your stack size.
The main problems are that he will get to see the 4th spade and your action to it, so even if you do hit you won't make any money. You also can't assume that an Ace is good since he would make this bet with AK(Ks) as well, so you don't have 12 outs. And, if he holds KK or QQ and an Ace comes on the turn, you again have the same issues as before since he could get away from it if you bet.
I just think this early in the session, out of position, with no read, you need to let this one go.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:45 am GMT by Poto
I think this is a fold pre-flop, you will have to play a dominated hand OOP.
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:36 am GMT by tame_deuces
Fairly easy push in my book.
We're short, we want to see all cards, villain probably folds AQ,AK and we got a strong draw if he calls.
Only problem is that if villain is an ok player, our push REEEEEKS of the A .
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:52 am GMT by Ciso_B
I think you should bet the flop here myself, you have 2 overs and a nut flush draw , check raising gets too expensve imo and commits you, but if you bet right out he passes a wide range of hands, many of which had you beat pre flop.
If you think he has an overpair and wont fold , then i think you should fold to that bet on the flop , he has'nt given you a nice price, it looks like hes not passing and you only have the As , alot of people get too attached on a flop like this.
So I opt for a fold here if i check the flop, really i like a fold pre flop, but even if i saw the flop i think a bet is in order, but since you didnt bet , i'd fold to the post flop bet.
What did you do then?
Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:01 am GMT by Dat_Dude
| Ciso_B wrote: |
What did you do then? |
Well, I trusted my read and tossed the hand. I fished for information after the hand, and Villain flat out told me he was calling any all-in and that he had a big pair.
If I had been at the table longer and watched how he played, I would have led that flop. He played very tight for the next couple hours and it seems that every time he made a bet post-flop, it was pot-sized or bigger. So if I had led the flop, I believe he might have only called and I might have seen a relatively cheap river.
Ohh the disadvantages of playing the first hand OOP. 
Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:24 am GMT by tame_deuces
| Dat_Dude wrote: |
I fished for information after the hand, and Villain flat out told me he was calling any all-in and that he had a big pair.
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I would have said that too, even if I held the 4 5 . 
Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:17 pm GMT by snoogins47
| tame_deuces wrote: | | We're short, we want to see all cards, villain probably folds AQ,AK and we got a strong draw if he calls. |
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