Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:20 pm GMT by costashark
Please can someone give me a SIMPLE but comprehensive explanation (or direct me where to get one) of the half and full bet rules.
Everywhere I look I am only able to find the same generic explanation which misses some of the intricacies, please see below.
‘If a player goes all in with a raise rather than a call, another special rule comes into play. There are two options in common use here: pot limit and no limit games always use what is called the full bet rule, while fixed limit or spread limit games use either the full bet rule or the half bet rule. The full bet rule states that if the amount of an all in raise does not equal the full amount of the previous raise, it does not constitute a "real" raise, and therefore does not reopen the betting action. The half bet rule states that if an all in raise is equal to or larger than half the bet being raised, it does constitute a raise and reopens the action.
For example, a player opens the betting round for $20, and the next player has a total stake of $25. He may raise to $25, declaring himself all in, but this does not constitute a "real" raise, in the following sense: if a third player now calls the $25, and the first player's turn to act comes up, he must now call the additional $5, but he does not have the right to reraise further.
The all in player's pseudo-raise was really just a call with some extra money, and the third player's call was just a call, so the initial opener's bet was simply called by both remaining players, closing the betting round (even though he must still equalize the money by putting in the additional $5). If the half bet rule were being used, and the all
in player had raised to $30 instead of $25,then that raise would count as a genuine raise and the first player would be entitled to reraise if he chose to (this would create a side pot for the amount of his reraise and the third player's call, if any).’
I just can’t seem to get my head around it……… HELP!!!!!
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Posted Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:34 pm GMT by mindgame
hmmm...
That sounded like a pretty straightforward explantion. What's the part you don't get? Specifically what questions arise for you?
Btw...you complicated this by adding the THIRD player. If the second player in your example increases the intial wager by $5, the third player has a legitimate gripe if the action is open only to his call--he has been deprived his opportunity to raise player #1, which he could have done had player #2 not taken his little five dollar raise.....
So-o-o...
In the casinos I frequent player three has TWO Options: he may call for $25 or he may COMPLETE THE RAISE, putting in $40. Player #1 now has his option of calling $20 (this creates a $30 side pot--are you still with me?) or re-raising. The money in the pot before the action started, plus the $75 (3 X $25) are in the MAIN pot (now closed). All additional money now goes into this side pot for which player #2 (all-in guy) is out of contention.
Hope you are now completely confused. This is why you tip dealers. They have to get all this right. However, about half the time this comes up an argument starts, the game stops, and the dealer has to get the "floor" to explain the rule. The explanation (and the rule itself, sadly) seems to change every time there's a new guy working the floor.
I trust you are now thorougly confused. Now will someone PLEASE explain what the hell "skins" are in golf?
Posted Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:45 am GMT by Casey ATB
| mindgame wrote: | | Now will someone PLEASE explain what the hell "skins" are in golf? |
Simply put, "Skins" is a bet that is won by the player who makes the lowest score on a hole. Ties cannot win, it must be the lowest score on the hole. That person wins a 'skin' bet from each player that has declared as a participant. Example: four players agree to play $5 skins. If you, as a declared player, post the lowest score on 10 holes out of the 18, you would win $5 x 4(number of players) x 10(number of holes won) = $200.
There are variations and embellishments for this type of bet, such as only a score of par or better may win the bet. There are a few others, but that's it in a nutshell. Keep em in the short grass! 
Posted Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:29 am GMT by mindgame
Keep 'em in the short grass? I went to the Western Open a while back. I watched guys drive over water for a green so far away I wasn't sure I could've hit with a high-powered rifile and a scope.
Man, golf is NOT my game, but don't ever let someone try to tell you that pro golfers are not world-class atheletes.
Posted Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:45 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Casey ATB wrote: | | There are variations and embellishments for this type of bet, such as only a score of par or better may win the bet. There are a few others, but that's it in a nutshell. Keep em in the short grass! |
My favorite skins additions...
Greenies: Closest to the pin on a par 3 gets a skin.
Sandies: Up and down from a bunker for par or better gets a skin.
Barkies: Hit a tree, make par or better, get a skin.
Screamies: Hit a person, make par or better, get a skin...well, two skins if you knock the other unconscious and you have a hunting knife at the ready.
Posted Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:08 pm GMT by Casey ATB
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | Casey ATB wrote: | | There are variations and embellishments for this type of bet, such as only a score of par or better may win the bet. There are a few others, but that's it in a nutshell. Keep em in the short grass! |
My favorite skins additions...
Greenies: Closest to the pin on a par 3 gets a skin.
Sandies: Up and down from a bunker for par or better gets a skin.
Barkies: Hit a tree, make par or better, get a skin.
Screamies: Hit a person, make par or better, get a skin...well, two skins if you knock the other unconscious and you have a hunting knife at the ready. |
Quickly, some other popular skin bets, then I'll let this die.
1) collect double the bet for 'birdies'
2) collect triple the bet for 'eagles'
3) 'Carryovers:' whereby, if there is no single low score on a hole,
the bets are accumulated until there is a single low score on a hole,
and the player posting that score wins all accumulated bets.
Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:03 pm GMT by mindgame
Right...
and guys think poker's complicated
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