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bad call?



Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:06 am GMT by Ciso_B
Thoughts on this hand please people, i had been raising alot in position prior to this so i thought id go easy on the blinds and limp on button with this,post flop is where the tough decision is.

PokerStars Game #5198219849: Tournament #25837948, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/06/09 - 01:59:34 (ET)
Table '25837948 17' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: evanmax (70896 in chips)
Seat 2: beck_AA (85242 in chips)
Seat 3: ruckycharms (84323 in chips)
Seat 4: SmokeHouse7 (32084 in chips)
Seat 5: Neab (70590 in chips)
Seat 6: Equis (45666 in chips)
Seat 7: rockbot (39294 in chips)
Seat 8: Pred or Prey (81205 in chips)
Seat 9: Pancho_123 (73626 in chips)
evanmax: posts the ante 150
beck_AA: posts the ante 150
ruckycharms: posts the ante 150
SmokeHouse7: posts the ante 150
Neab: posts the ante 150
Equis: posts the ante 150
rockbot: posts the ante 150
Pred or Prey: posts the ante 150
Pancho_123: posts the ante 150
Equis: posts small blind 1500
rockbot: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab Ten of HeartsEight of Hearts
Pred or Prey: folds
Pancho_123: folds
evanmax: folds
beck_AA: folds
ruckycharms: folds
SmokeHouse7: folds
Neab: calls 3000
Equis: calls 1500
rockbot: raises 6000 to 9000
Neab: calls 6000
Equis: folds
*** FLOP *** Eight of ClubsFour of SpadesJack of Clubs
rockbot: bets 30144 and is all-in
Neab: calls 30144


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Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:03 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
I'd say that the call PF was even debateable. So this guy instantly goes all in on the flop eh? Well unfortunately I do not think your middle pair is good and i'd stay away from this hand. He could be laying a trap for your LAG style. You don't have too many chips but you can definately wait for better hands. I assume you won this one though? Oh, and Beck_AA is a pretty well known online player, i think.


Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:01 am GMT by zinn0
Hmm, not sure I like the preflop call. Other than that, I really doubt Villain would instapush that flop if he held a big PP. You might be ahead here. It's not the worst call I've seen, thats for sure.


Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:56 am GMT by tame_deuces
I don't really like any of these 3 calls, mainly because the players after you have 13-15BB stacks (and antes reduce the effective stacksize even more) and I don't see the gain in playing medium suited gappers passively with those stacksizes.


Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:13 pm GMT by BeerWench13
tame_deuces wrote:
I don't really like any of these 3 calls, mainly because the players after you have 13-15BB stacks (and antes reduce the effective stacksize even more) and I don't see the gain in playing medium suited gappers passively with those stacksizes.

I agree. Preflop, if you're going to play this hand, do so aggressively or get out of the way. I would not have called his push either. JMO



Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:51 pm GMT by Johny
Raise pre-flop or fold. There's no use in open-limping in this spot with a marginal hand.

I'm not sure if I like this call. Villain raised out of position, he usually has something here.

Also, why can't he move-in with a big pair here? He's betting 30k into a pot of 20k, not really an overbet. Plus the fact Hero just limp/called, there's a good chance Villain won't induce a bet with a check.

I think you're behind here a good portion of the time.



Posted Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:33 pm GMT by Ciso_B
your right , it was a bad call ,he had AdJd.

Scott Fischman was on my table for quite long too, and moneymaker was playing last night too, weird loads of the pros were all playing.






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