Posted Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:41 am GMT by Ciso_B
Okay, im in a $30 9 man sng on stars. We are 5 way i beleive and i have around 4,000 in chips , blinds are 75/150. (sorry i dont have hand history).
I am in small blind and find 3  5  . (my favorite hand , if its suited  ). Anyway button min raises to 300, I decide to call. This is not the issue btw people.
Flop comes. 3 5  A . I flopped bottom two pair, and am hoping he ll continuation bet, so i can re raise. As im pretty damn sure im ahead, i check, he checks rather surprisingly i might add.
Turn card comes, 10 . Pot is 750 , and i opt to bet 450 realising i cant possible give any more free cards when he pushes all in for something in the region of 1,600 total. So its like 1,150 for me to call. I go into the tank , and decided to fold.
I am just curious as to whether you guys think this was a bad laydown cos my friend was watchin me play (kompis) and was shocked when i folded on turn and said he could easily have AK/AQ etc.
Thoughts ?
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Posted Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:21 am GMT by Icec0o1
I'll call here 99% of the time unless I have a very good read on him and know he has a set.
Posted Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:42 pm GMT by TheSalche
unless you have some sort of way to know that this guy has the talent to pull off a tricky / aggressive play with a set like that, you have to call
its still a $30, you're mostly dealing with idiots
Posted Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:44 pm GMT by zinn0
call.
oh, and also, fold pre.
Posted Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:58 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
How can you fold that? You play 35o OOP PF, hit 2 pair, and then fold to the all in? Nice try to check raise the flop but heck...to be safe just bet out. There are too many scare cards that can come on the turn.
Posted Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:04 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Eh, in the $30 tournies I'd probably call more often than not, but I can't say folding is the worst idea. He could have had AK or AQ I guess, but I'd figure he'd continuation bet that, hoping you hit with a weak kicker. AT I'm almost sure he'd bet for info. if nothing else on the flop. AA... hmm... in the $30 I don't see people min-raising too often, but it does happen. TT also possible, but how likely is it?
I'm still leaning for a call, but I wouldn't say it's SHOCKING you folded.
Posted Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:48 pm GMT by Ciso_B
diamond kinda summed up my thoughts, any Ace in his hand I am thinking hes betting the flop, unless he has A3,A5. I really couldnt see his turn all in as a bluff, cos why wait till i bet to bluff all in? He'd just bet the flop, also AK,AQ i dont think hed give me a free card.
I felt it had to be a set or a flopped 2 pair, I loved the flop obviously but the way the hand pannned out , it smelt like i was the one being trapped. If he had a hand like K 10, i reckon he might just call me certainly not all in .
Basically what hand can he check on the flop and re raise all in on turn that i am beating, AK is the only one i could think of, and even that is iffy.
Sure its only a $30 one , but it wasnt a turbo and from what id seen he wasnt a tricky player.
It would have been nice if he told me what he had , but he didnt.
| Quote: | | unless you have some sort of way to know that this guy has the talent to pull off a tricky / aggressive play with a set like that |
I dont think playing a set in this way would be tricky or agressive, checkin the flop with a set isnt tricky imo.
Posted Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:58 am GMT by kompis
I think the guy could have you beat, he seems to have played the hand like a total monster.. He coulda raised min with AA or Ax and outflopped you.... it only costs you 1000 for a decent pot and u can easily afford it.. i would call this 90% of the time. Spots like this are too profitable to fold unless you know for sure that he has a sick hand..
Posted Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:17 am GMT by zinn0
I just can't understand what you were hoping to flop by calling the raise.
Posted Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:20 am GMT by Ciso_B
pair, 2 , pair, straight, trips.... Didnt think id have to say that poker is situational zinn, I could make bottom pair and call all in but fold two pair in a different situation, perhaps you play a more robotic style of poker. Nothing wrong with taht if you're predominantly a limit player i guess. Which im assuming you are.
Posted Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:21 am GMT by zinn0
I'm just saying that the flop was a perfect flop for you. And just becuase Villain checks the flop and puts in a raise on the turn doesn't mean he has you beat. I've seen this play with AK, AQ, etc. Hell, he could even be getting saucy with JJ. I think the more profitable play in the long run is calling.
Oh, and you know what they say about assuming things.
Posted Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:09 am GMT by tame_deuces
Call me a donk but I probably lead this flop with a bet.
Posted Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:09 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| tame_deuces wrote: | | Call me a donk but I probably lead this flop with a bet. |
Ditto.
Posted Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:30 pm GMT by mikenike
call i put him on a pair, possibly AX
Posted Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:19 pm GMT by Phil14312
| tame_deuces wrote: | | Call me a donk but I probably lead this flop with a bet. |
I check to get some continuation money out of someone without an Ace.
Posted Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:26 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Phil14312 wrote: | | tame_deuces wrote: | | Call me a donk but I probably lead this flop with a bet. |
I check to get some continuation money out of someone without an Ace. |
I think they'll probably call or raise with an ace anyway.
Posted Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:12 am GMT by UrAteUp
Two things. First I know I would lead in the betting here and most likely approach it heavy. My reasoning is two pair is a decent hand and I want to do everything in my power to protect it, short of pushing.
Second thing is I might have to disagree with the majority here and say you made a nice laydown. I think he was setting you up for a trap. Suppose he get delt AA or even 1010. If he was playing 1010 then I can see why he didn't bet the flop. He wanted to find out if you have the A. Turn card brought a 10. He knew he had you if you were slowplaying an A so he pushes. I am lead me to beleive 1 of 3 hands was being played against you. AA, 1010 or A10.
Not sure if I could have gotten away from two pair here but I feel you did the right thing.
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