Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:43 am GMT by Ryan_j37
Hey guys. This is a great forum and ive learned a lot from it. Heres my first hand from last night that im pretty sure i didnt play well. What else could i have done?
Game #4497539193 starts.
#Game No : 4497539193
***** Hand History for Game 4497539193 *****
$5 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, June 12, 03:57:43 ET 2006
Table Beginners #1240620 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: fbarroso ( $5.15 )
Seat 3: JoCash222 ( $4.75 )
Seat 4: chrisripspok ( $12.02 )
Seat 5: Lootseller ( $4.70 )
Seat 6: DirkDevil666 ( $1.74 )
Seat 7: shadowolf52 ( $3.76 )
Seat 8: toptobby ( $4.26 )
Seat 9: RainerAdam ( $6.26 )
Seat 10: axelg555 ( $2.26 )
Seat 2: Ryan_j38 ( $5 )
axelg555 posts small blind $0.02.
fbarroso is sitting out.
Ryan_j38 posts big blind $0.04.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ryan_j38  
JoCash222 calls $0.04.
chrisripspok folds.
Lootseller folds.
DirkDevil666 calls $0.04.
shadowolf52 folds.
toptobby folds.
RainerAdam raises $0.08.
axelg555 folds.
Ryan_j38 raises $0.28.
JoCash222 folds.
DirkDevil666 folds.
RainerAdam calls $0.24.
** Dealing Flop **   
Ryan_j38 bets $0.49.
RainerAdam raises $0.98.
Ryan_j38 raises $1.51. right raise? im was wanting him to tell me if he flopped a set
RainerAdam calls $1.02.
** Dealing Turn ** 
Ryan_j38: ?
At this stage i was putting him on QT, QJ, QK , TT or maybe a good draw such as KhJh. Im not sure im ahead because of his raise on the flop.
Did you know that participating in a poker forum can help you improve your own game? Be it by sharing experiences or simply asking for help, participation in a forum helps you focus and keep 'on topic' which will help you improve your game. You can learn from other players feedback and from their experiences. Why the THP poker forums? We offer one of the best managed texas holdem poker forums available, and the community within is far more friendly than those typicaly found on other sites. We've made a 'lurkers edition' of the poker forum available here on Holdem Poker Online, but we encourage all visitors to register and join in on the conversations on TexasHoldem-Poker.com
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:49 am GMT by zinn0
You definitely want to bet here. No free cards! I say a bet of about 1/2 to 2/3 pot should work. I might consider folding to resistance as well.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:54 am GMT by Ryan_j37
** Dealing Turn **
Ryan_j38 bets $1. Right bet amount? Im pretty sure it would have looked kinda weak. A strong bet would have married me to the hand which i didnt really want to do at this point
RainerAdam calls $1.
** Dealing River ** 
Ryan_j38:
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:35 am GMT by UrAteUp
Lead the betting here with a pot sized bet. Any resistance and you will most likely have to lay it down because there are a few hands out there that can beat you. AA,KK or a set are possible but I think your probably ahead or tied right now.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:58 am GMT by crack
Nobody has mentioned some key points as to properly analyise this hand.
First of all the guy in question min raised preflop, what does that mean?
What are his raising requirements? Is he tight/loose passive/aggressive?
Your flop raise was weak he is pretty much calling here with anything after he raised you. You have played this hand so strong [reflop and flop and he doesn't care, so he is either a superbly bad player overplaying TPWK, has the same as you, or AA/KK.
Of course he could have a straight or set, but it's a bit hard to put him on that without any info on the player.
You are in bad shape just because you are out of position. I would have played this a bit more conservatively I think, but then again this is NL5 and they can push hard with anything.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:03 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
| crack wrote: | | First of all the guy in question min raised preflop, what does that mean? |
Could mean a large variety of hands in 5$NL. definately not something to be too scared about. I think the hand was played well up until the turn so far, where the bet should have been bigger beacuse as OP said, not only does it look weak, but it IS weak. 1$ into the pot at that point most likley gives opposition pot odds. As crack also mentioned, the flop reraise was a little weak as well, raising more would be btter. I may push on the turn.
Welcome to the forum.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:06 pm GMT by Ryan_j37
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | crack wrote: | | First of all the guy in question min raised preflop, what does that mean? |
Could mean a large variety of hands in 5$NL. definately not something to be too scared about. I think the hand was played well up until the turn so far, where the bet should have been bigger beacuse as OP said, not only does it look weak, but it IS weak. 1$ into the pot at that point most likley gives opposition pot odds. As crack also mentioned, the flop reraise was a little weak as well, raising more would be btter. I may push on the turn.
Welcome to the forum. |
Yea i see what you mean. The thing is though. On the turn i only had ~$2.70 and the pot was around $4. So a decent bet would mean i was commiting everything. Should i have at this point? And how much should the raise have been on the flop?
Posted Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:19 am GMT by crack
Would have made it about $2-2.5
Posted Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:39 am GMT by Dat_Dude
| Ryan_j37 wrote: | | [On the turn i only had ~$2.70 and the pot was around $4. So a decent bet would mean i was commiting everything. Should i have at this point? And how much should the raise have been on the flop? |
Well, it is very unlikely that the turn card helped him, so at this point you have to decide if you think your hand is any good. The call on the flop after you raised leads me to think he has a weaker King. If he had a better hand than you on the flop he probably would have been putting all his money in because it was obvious you weren't going anywhere.
I would have put it all-in on the turn.
Posted Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:52 am GMT by UrAteUp
| Dat_Dude wrote: | | Ryan_j37 wrote: | | [On the turn i only had ~$2.70 and the pot was around $4. So a decent bet would mean i was commiting everything. Should i have at this point? And how much should the raise have been on the flop? |
Well, it is very unlikely that the turn card helped him, so at this point you have to decide if you think your hand is any good. The call on the flop after you raised leads me to think he has a weaker King. If he had a better hand than you on the flop he probably would have been putting all his money in because it was obvious you weren't going anywhere.
I would have put it all-in on the turn. |
I have to agree with Dat here. Often at the $5 NL tables you will see a player push to try with a large raise to try to scare someone off of the pot. It doesn't mean they have the best hand though. Just that they want the pot and want to get you out of it.
Posted Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:08 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
| Ryan_j37 wrote: | | LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | crack wrote: | | First of all the guy in question min raised preflop, what does that mean? |
Could mean a large variety of hands in 5$NL. definately not something to be too scared about. I think the hand was played well up until the turn so far, where the bet should have been bigger beacuse as OP said, not only does it look weak, but it IS weak. 1$ into the pot at that point most likley gives opposition pot odds. As crack also mentioned, the flop reraise was a little weak as well, raising more would be btter. I may push on the turn.
Welcome to the forum. |
Yea i see what you mean. The thing is though. On the turn i only had ~$2.70 and the pot was around $4. So a decent bet would mean i was commiting everything. Should i have at this point? And how much should the raise have been on the flop? |
Perfect time to push your remaining 2.7$ into the pot. As someone mentioned above, the turn card did not help villain, and a common phrase I see Tame_Deuces write about all the time in cash games comes into play here. If he saw this post, he'd probably say push and if you happen to be beat on this hand, reload. Because with all things considered, you're more likley ahead in this hand and the push is clearly +EV because of the fold equity from your opponent as well.
Posted Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:44 pm GMT by Ryan_j37
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: |
Perfect time to push your remaining 2.7$ into the pot. As someone mentioned above, the turn card did not help villain, and a common phrase I see Tame_Deuces write about all the time in cash games comes into play here. If he saw this post, he'd probably say push and if you happen to be beat on this hand, reload. Because with all things considered, you're more likley ahead in this hand and the push is clearly +EV because of the fold equity from your opponent as well. |
** Dealing River **
Ryan_j38 is all-In $1.68
RainerAdam calls $1.68.
Ryan_j38 shows two pairs, aces and queens.
RainerAdam shows   three of a kind, tens.
RainerAdam wins $9.60 from the main pot with three of a kind, tens.
I was pretty suprised when he showed his set. No way could i pick him for it. Was i destined to go broke on this hand? I took losing a buyin on 1st hand as a bad omen and quit.
Oh and is fold equity the chance of him folding?
Thanks everyone for helpful replys. My mate says his flop-reraise show have been a warning signal he had better then TPTK. Is this so?
Posted Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:47 pm GMT by LeafsFan1122
Yes fold equity is the possibility of him folding and you winning the pot on the spot. Sorry to see the results of that hand, but in a 5$NL hand, I believe that getting your money in on that flop is quite profitable. I play (for cash games) mostly 10$NL so I'm accustomed to the play you may be seeing at those tables. Players could be holding a large variety of hands in your villains situation. Villain didn't play his flopped set too well because of the possilbe flush draw. He should have reraised you all in after your raise but unfortunately in this situation it helped disguise his hand. Better luck next time.
Posted Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:16 am GMT by Jefecaminador
in micro limits i am willing to go all in on TPTK most of the time because generally its the best hand. Many people playing that level are usually just starting or are really terrible and assume everyone is bluffing. My advice for low limits would to be to play your cards not the people, because reading them is almost worthless imho. Too many people don't know how strong their hands are to risk throwing away a decent size pot to a raise, when you have a good hand like TPTK. Obviously as you go up the stakes reading becomes a huge part of your game and TPTK usualy isnt good against stiff resistance, but I say here you are ahead at least 80% of the time.
Posted Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:01 am GMT by suitedaces84
The "finding out where your at" stuff shouldn't cost 1/2 your stack. If you put the first half in on a flop like this with TPTK you should be prepared to put the other half in aswell.
Plan ahead. If your hand isn't good enough to play for your stack don't put yourself in a spot to play for it all. When the pot is twice your stack, you still have 2 rounds of betting to go and you have a solid hand you know you're gonna have to pay off if your beat. If you're gonna pay off your losers you should make sure you get paid with your winners.
Posted Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:32 am GMT by Ryan_j37
| suitedaces84 wrote: | The "finding out where your at" stuff shouldn't cost 1/2 your stack. If you put the first half in on a flop like this with TPTK you should be prepared to put the other half in aswell.
Plan ahead. If your hand isn't good enough to play for your stack don't put yourself in a spot to play for it all. When the pot is twice your stack, you still have 2 rounds of betting to go and you have a solid hand you know you're gonna have to pay off if your beat. If you're gonna pay off your losers you should make sure you get paid with your winners. |
Ok. What should i have done differently?
Posted Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:22 am GMT by Johny
Move-in on the turn.
Posted Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:44 am GMT by suitedaces84
I don't play enough $5 NL to know how bad those guys are. If they're bad enough anything differently. If you had just called preflop and just called on the flop the pot would be much smaller and you wouldn't be forced to get all-in. If you don't want to play a big pot don't make the pot big.
|
|
