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Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:10 am GMT by Dat_Dude
Villain was either tricky, or Tight/Passive to this point. He had AA and just called a raise preflop and called down to the river when he rivered broadway.
Table '26313643 16' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BeatUpCivic (3630 in chips)
Seat 2: CubsFan0098 (4985 in chips)
Seat 4: braxis6093 (2190 in chips)
Seat 5: Commander25 (4070 in chips)
Seat 6: lumistacken (2735 in chips)
Seat 7: AJH4NSEN (2015 in chips)
Seat 8: MYBLKTT (145 in chips)
Seat 9: Diesel_IA (2620 in chips)
CubsFan0098: posts small blind 25
braxis6093: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Diesel_IA  
800lbGORILLA is connected
Commander25: raises 100 to 150
lumistacken: folds
AJH4NSEN: folds
MYBLKTT: folds
Diesel_IA: calls 150 Probably should have folded to his UTG Raise, but I like my position
BeatUpCivic: folds
CubsFan0098: folds
braxis6093: folds
*** FLOP ***   
Commander25: checks No continuation bet. Seems kind of fishy, but I will test the waters
Diesel_IA: bets 300
Commander25: calls 300
*** TURN *** 
Commander25: checks
Diesel_IA: ?
Do I give him credit for that 10 at this point? Where do I go from here?
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Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:39 am GMT by crack
He raised UTG, if he is tight then I doubt a T is part of his raising requirements from EP, unless it's TT.
I'd probably be betting this and see what he does to that. If he calls then hell I might check behind o the river or pop it again, all depends on what he raises with.
If he raises the turn well then thats a whole different ball game. Here, I'd have to decide if he is good or not, keeping in mind there is a lot of play left in this tourney.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:42 pm GMT by supafrey
Easy check behind, I think. Not many cards will scare us and it will probably induce a nice bluff from him. Then you can call it and win a nice pot.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:58 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| supafrey wrote: | | Easy check behind, I think. Not many cards will scare us and it will probably induce a nice bluff from him. Then you can call it and win a nice pot. |
What I was thinking exactly:
*** TURN ***
Commander25: checks
Diesel_IA: checks
*** RIVER *** 
Commander25: bets 400
Diesel_IA: ???
Calll or Raise?
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:42 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Raise if you know your ahead and call if you only think you are....  . I would raise.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:45 pm GMT by shorn7
I would just call the river. Only bad things happen if you raise: 1) he re-raises with a ten and you lose more, 2) he calls with a 9 and you chop, or 30 he folds his bluff and you win no more $$ anyway. Your check on the turn (I might have bet there BTW) got him to bluff so just call and see it.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:53 pm GMT by Dat_Dude
| shorn7 wrote: | | I would just call the river. Only bad things happen if you raise: 1) he re-raises with a ten and you lose more, 2) he calls with a 9 and you chop, or 30 he folds his bluff and you win no more $$ anyway. Your check on the turn (I might have bet there BTW) got him to bluff so just call and see it. |
In my opinion a check on the turn makes it look like my flop bet (which was roughly pot sized) look like I was just trying to buy it. I think a check here would get more money out of him if he has nothing and induces the bluff a little more.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:25 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I'd probably just call. I don't much value to raising, because he almost needs a 10 to call you.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:24 pm GMT by supafrey
| Dat_Dude wrote: | | shorn7 wrote: | | I would just call the river. Only bad things happen if you raise: 1) he re-raises with a ten and you lose more, 2) he calls with a 9 and you chop, or 30 he folds his bluff and you win no more $$ anyway. Your check on the turn (I might have bet there BTW) got him to bluff so just call and see it. |
In my opinion a check on the turn makes it look like my flop bet (which was roughly pot sized) look like I was just trying to buy it. I think a check here would get more money out of him if he has nothing and induces the bluff a little more. |
Yeah, that's proper thinking from what I've seen in my experience. A call isn't bad, but neither is a raise if you put him on an overpair. This is one of those "read dependant" times that happen VERY RARELY... I'd call about 75% of the time and raise the other quarter. Either one probably isn't horrible.
Posted Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:31 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| supafrey wrote: | | Dat_Dude wrote: | | shorn7 wrote: | | I would just call the river. Only bad things happen if you raise: 1) he re-raises with a ten and you lose more, 2) he calls with a 9 and you chop, or 30 he folds his bluff and you win no more $$ anyway. Your check on the turn (I might have bet there BTW) got him to bluff so just call and see it. |
In my opinion a check on the turn makes it look like my flop bet (which was roughly pot sized) look like I was just trying to buy it. I think a check here would get more money out of him if he has nothing and induces the bluff a little more. |
Yeah, that's proper thinking from what I've seen in my experience. A call isn't bad, but neither is a raise if you put him on an overpair. This is one of those "read dependant" times that happen VERY RARELY... I'd call about 75% of the time and raise the other quarter. Either one probably isn't horrible. |
That's probably a better evaluation, although I might modify it closer to 80-20 in favor of calling, but you get the picture.
Posted Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:26 am GMT by weirdofreek
I would just call on the river. The only way the villian is putting any more money in the pot is if he has you beat. The only way I'd raise here is if I thought He might call with an ace hoping to split.
Posted Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:42 pm GMT by UrAteUp
I still say I am raising here. I honestly couldn't put this guy on a 10. I think he is betting on 2 suited cards and is working toward a flush draw. Maybe I am a sucker here but honestly I think Dat has him beat.
So come on big man ...do tell what the end results were... 
Edit: I know...I know...if he does have a 10 then I am paying him off big time and this is probably a darn stupid play on my end. Honestly though I do not feel villian has a 10 here.
Posted Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:50 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
i've got a boat, i'm raising :
he could have a flush or an overpair...if he has a 10, good for him...i seriously doubt it normally tho cuz a utg triple doesnt usually have a 10...if he folds, then nobody sees my hand...thats good...
judging from the post title, i'm guessing he had it tho 
boatwrecks suck
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