Posted Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:44 am GMT by weirdofreek
This is a situation I have been struggling with please help.
1/2 NL even stack Let's say you have 89s in LP and the SB raises to 4, BB folds you call and the flop is 7910 rainbow. SB bets 1/2 the pot. You? What if he pushes the flop? How bout tourney. I know "It depends" but in general how do you treat these situations?
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Posted Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:39 pm GMT by shorn7
I would usually call his bet (in a cash game...tourny is all about stack sizes/blinds, etc.). Raising is bad because nothing good happens:
1. You raise and he pushes and you have to fold.
2. You raise and he mucks his overs and you don't win any more.
3. You raise and he calls (rare) and you really don't know where you stand.
You may have the best hand now and you have a draw, so call and give yourself the cheapest way to get there if you need to (since he could easily have AA-JJ).
Posted Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:57 pm GMT by UrAteUp
In a tourny chances are I am not playing this hand to a 4xBB raise even in LP unless blinds are getting thick. I hate these situations in a tournament and work hard not to let myself get forced into them.
In a cash game I make this call. My thinking is he is either on a draw hand or possibly has A10, AX or PP. You still have plenty of outs to make a better hand. Now if you see scare cards coming on the turn you might be forced to lay it down.
Just the way I see it.... 
Posted Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:10 pm GMT by snoogins47
I think flat calling is pretty bad here. If we have the best hand, we're almost never winning any more money beyond what's already in on the flop: overcards will rarely put a significant amount more money in the pot unless they improve to beat us. Any time we had the worst hand, and improved, we're even worse off, since that necessarily means that this scary board gets even scarier (and usually, very significantly so)
Plus, when the turn blanks and he bets again (or if the turn comes with a dreaded K/A), now we have half the equity if we were already behind, less if we had the best hand initially, and we're in even murkier territory... why swim in murky waters when we've got that whole 'position' thing to help clear it up?
I raise this virtually every time, for all sorts of reasons. We're rarely a significant underdog, but very rarely are we a large favorite+can suck more money out of a worse hand. Villain folds often.
Shorn: You obviously know that stack sizes and all that nonsense come into play heavily, but I want to mention point #1 of yours... it takes fairly big stacks, and a fairly small raise on our part to have us raise/folding, instead of raise/calling. We're probably ~3:2, maybe a tad better, against a 'generic' push range... and interestingly, probably about 3:2 against a tightass... and of course, better than that against a maniac like myself. /quote
Posted Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:55 am GMT by shorn7
Snoogins-
I take your point. I do generally play deep stack poker and tend to protect a bit when I have an OK hand that might be good with a draw. I guess the last thing I want to do is re-open the betting and let AA-JJ get me off my draw here, so I prefer to play small pot poker until I hit. I agree that we probably aren't getting anything more out of AK unless they improve, but that is OK. I just think raising here diminishes your positional advantage later in the hand and I don't like to do that.
Against the right player, i could and would raise this flop. We probably have u to 9 outs if we are behind, so if his stack size isn't too large, I think I could make the case for a raise.
Just a different way to play it.
Shorn
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