4 diamonds after the flop with top pair |
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Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:10 am GMT by cobi
Tournament
You hold: K,6 suited (diamonds) and were big blind
no raises at preflop. In total 3 players involved (small blind folded).
FLOP: K, 9 (Diamond), 3 (Diamond).
Player 2 has 40'000 chips
Player 3 has 18'000 chips
I have 100'000 chips.
I checked; Player 2 checked; Player 3 raised 8'000 chips.
Now it was my turn: I reraised... I had TOP PAIR plus 4 diamonds... I reraised to 20'000 chips
Player 3 went all in with 40'000.
Player 1 called.
I called as well.
Player 2 (40'000) showed 9,9
Player 3 (18'000) showed K,K.
There was no diamond at turn and river....
did I play wrong in your opinion?
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Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:01 am GMT by UrAteUp
After the flop you had TPWK out of position. Not the best of times to be reraising or playing aggressively with this type of a drawing hand. You might have played this a little more laid back and see how the hand developes. Clues along the way might have told you that you were beat and helped you to lay this hand down before it cost you the complete tournament.
Just my opinion though.. 
Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:25 am GMT by cobi
| UrAteUp wrote: | After the flop you had TPWK out of position. Not the best of times to be reraising or playing aggressively with this type of a drawing hand. You might have played this a little more laid back and see how the hand developes. Clues along the way might have told you that you were beat and helped you to lay this hand down before it cost you the complete tournament.
Just my opinion though.. |
what is TPWK?
you cannot expect trips for 2 players.. maybe someone is on a flush draw and someone had also a King....
Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:00 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
I like betting out first in this type of situation, you have a much bigger stack than either of them, plus you likely have the best hand + the best draw. If you pop it for 8k your self then get raised and reraised all in, then you can decide wether you want to gamble with your flush draw. (which by the way I would consider doing) Most of the time you won't be up against two sets, but the way you played it, you'll never know until its too late and you're already pot committed. Plus, while K6 is probably the best hand in this situation, it's not really strong enough to check raise with and hope for a call. If they do call you most likely will have to hit your flush to win the pot.
Btw, what were the blinds at? I'd like to know if 8k was an overbet or not.
Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:01 pm GMT by cobi
the blinds at that time was (big blind) 2000.
Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:36 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
Ok, so I guess you were thinking along the lines, hey the small guy committed alot of his chips, and theres a decent chance I'm ahead + still have a good drawing hand, so I'll raise him up all in. Second player checked so he probably has nothing and will fold. The majority of the time what will happen is the small guy goes all in and the second guy folds. But, you were reraised to 40k by the second guy. Now theres 79k in the pot and you have to call 20. Assuming you think your flush is good, you definately have the odds to call. Calling the bigger all in is the right move in my opinion, but I don't think you should of been in this situation in the first place. Next time raise if you're first to act and see what happens from there. If the 40k stack moves all in you can consider folding.
But all in all, I dont think you played this hand TOO poorly. Like you said, you're basically never going to be up againsts 2 sets.
Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:37 pm GMT by snoogins47
Why are we so desperate to be able to 'get away' from our hand?
Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:42 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
Like I said, I'd probably still call here anyway, even if I raised first and got reraised all in by the 40k stack. But in future situations, where say instead of 40k he had 70k, making that 20k bet kills you. If you call and lose, you're now at a huge disadvantage.
Posted Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:01 pm GMT by cobi
it was a tournament to qualify for WSOP in Las Vegas...
There are always players who love the risk.
so it also depends on WHAT KIND OF TOURNAMENT (or cash game) you play.
I expected that SOMEONE of them ONLY has 2 diamonds.... and maybe someone had 1 pair or 2 pairs. you cannot see trips...
Posted Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:08 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Looks good to me. Maybe I bet instead of C/R, but I think its just a matter of taste anyway.
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