Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:03 am GMT by UrAteUp
Ok here is another instance with AKo. This one was played from EP. Again any feedback at all is accepted and appreciated.
Real Money Ring Game
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Cross Of Iron 8161583-88681 Holdem No Limit $0.05/$0.10
Jun 18 13:51:04 : Hand Start.
Jun 18 13:51:04 : Seat 1 : SophieTome has $4
Jun 18 13:51:04 : Seat 2 : bookeeper has $4.86
Jun 18 13:51:04 : Seat 3 : elstevot has $4.48
Jun 18 13:51:04 : Seat 4 : abigfan has $3.69
Jun 18 13:51:04 : Seat 5 : rinn44 has $3.85
Jun 18 13:51:04 : Seat 6 : virgin has $13.79
Jun 18 13:51:04 : virgin is the dealer.
Jun 18 13:51:04 : SophieTome will be allowed to play after the button.
Jun 18 13:51:05 : bookeeper posted small blind.
Jun 18 13:51:05 : elstevot posted big blind.
Jun 18 13:51:05 : Game 88681 started with 5 players.
Jun 18 13:51:05 : Dealing Hole Cards.
Jun 18 13:51:05 : Seat 4 : abigfan has Ad Kh
Jun 18 13:51:13 : abigfan called $0.10
Jun 18 13:51:14 : rinn44 folded.
Jun 18 13:51:14 : virgin called $0.10
Jun 18 13:51:16 : bookeeper called $0.05
Jun 18 13:51:19 : elstevot checked.
Jun 18 13:51:19 : Dealing flop.
Jun 18 13:51:19 : Board cards   
Jun 18 13:51:24 : bookeeper bet $0.40
Jun 18 13:51:25 : elstevot folded.
Jun 18 13:51:28 : abigfan called $0.40
Jun 18 13:51:28 : virgin folded.
Jun 18 13:51:28 : Dealing turn.
Jun 18 13:51:28 : Board cards 
Jun 18 13:51:33 : bookeeper bet $1
Jun 18 13:51:40 : abigfan called $1 and raised $2.19 and is All-in
Jun 18 13:51:42 : bookeeper folded.
Jun 18 13:51:43 : abigfan wins $3.04 as the last player standing
Jun 18 13:51:45 : Hand is over.
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Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:27 am GMT by zinn0
Raise pre. Limping with AK UTG is silly. Raising does 2 things, builds a pot, (more value for your hand), and chases out lesser hands and those pesky suited connectors, which in my experience, are AK slayers.
Posted Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:18 pm GMT by Johny
Raise pre-flop, aggression is what makes you money shorthanded.
The flop play is ok and the turn plays itself.
Posted Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:37 am GMT by UrAteUp
I was actual going to raise this pre-flop to about $0.50 but I wanted to see if someone else would raise pre-flop and then I would re-raise. Didn't work that way though as no one raised pre-flop so I was left just limping into the pot.
After the turn when I saw that K hit I knew that unless this guy had a set I was getting paid in a big way. When I saw the $1 bet from him I figured he was trying to buy this pot. The more I think about it the more I felt I should have just called and not raised at this point. But I also knew 2 pair is a vulnerable hand and not knowing what the other gent was playing I didn't want to give him a chance to draw anymore cards.
I almost always want to kick myself in the butt when I end up limping with an AX hand. Sometimes it works though but most times you end up dumping it.
Posted Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:44 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| UrAteUp wrote: | | I was actual going to raise this pre-flop to about $0.50 but I wanted to see if someone else would raise pre-flop and then I would re-raise. |
This really only works if you're playing at a reasonably aggressive table with a lot of hands raised preflop. Of course, none of us can know that from one hand.
I think the real problem here is your approach. You're afraid you won't get paid with your big hands if you raise in EP, so you try to get tricky. If you raised more pots preflop, showed more aggression in these shorthanded games, then eventually people will start to give you that action on your big hands.
But you have to a) QUIT BUYING IN SHORT, b) make good use of position and c) make sure you play well postflop. In these low limit games, most people will only remember that you raised a lot preflop. They won't discern between the times you did it UTG with a monster, and the other 700 times you open-raised in LP with A-rag or a suited connector.
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:07 am GMT by AHBrownell
I occassionally limp with hands like AK. I find that if you make these plays occassionally and then are good about not going broke with top pair - and slowing down on river - you can really make it tough for your opponents to know where you are at.
Trickiness has value. If that is more or less here its hard to say...
Posted Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:17 pm GMT by Jauron
| AHBrownell wrote: | I occassionally limp with hands like AK. I find that if you make these plays occassionally and then are good about not going broke with top pair - and slowing down on river - you can really make it tough for your opponents to know where you are at.
Trickiness has value. If that is more or less here its hard to say... |
QFT, it's fine to play AK soft and tricky now and again but don't go nuts when an ace flops figuring you have to be ahead. I'll limp with hands like QQ-AA sometimes as well, but I tell myself when I do that I need to increase the hand range in with me and be more willing to lay it down if I am unsure where I am at.
Posted Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:10 pm GMT by Skribbles
Raise pre-flop.
Raise his flop bet.
The way it played out, I would have just flat called the turn. There is only a straight draw out there, which I highly doubt he has, so the only "scare" cards are a 5 or 6. Doing that would give force him to either lead the river, then you push, or check/fold.
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