Posted Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:31 am GMT by tylenol7
Hand is almost complete - final river bets have been made and called, player X turns her cards over to reveal pocket aces, player Z throws his cards at the dealer, then says wait - the cards dont hit the muck or the board cards - and the dealer hands them back - Player Z for some reason didnt notice he had a flush. I say the cards where mucked - anyone anyone -
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Posted Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:34 am GMT by Dave B
they were not
Posted Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:22 pm GMT by supafrey
not mucked.
Posted Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:38 pm GMT by jimmer
| tylenol7 wrote: | | the cards dont hit the muck or the board cards- |
you answered your own question. not mucked.
Although if this was a home game it's something that could be clarrified before the next game starts.
Posted Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:07 pm GMT by shorn7
Hmmm. See, now I would rule this as a muck. The intent was certainly there to muck the cards and they missed the muck and hit the dealer instead. Saying it was not a dead hand would mean that if the dealer were not sitting where they were and the cards went off the table and hit the floor, they would still be live as well. I don't know of any card room manager who would make that decision.
I say mucked...
Posted Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:19 pm GMT by Dave B
That isnt the point, the dealer was there. Also, he didnt say that they made it to the dealer only were mucked toward him.
At the casinos I have played at (many), everytime it is undeniable that those two cards belong to that person and they have not touched the muck OR anyone else's hand, that hand is live.
Posted Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:22 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| shorn7 wrote: | | Saying it was not a dead hand would mean that if the dealer were not sitting where they were and the cards went off the table and hit the floor, they would still be live as well. |
Absolutely not. There are specific rules about cards leaving the table which are independent of this question.
Where did you get that the dealer was the only impediment anyway? I didn't take "throws his cards at the dealer" literally.
Anyway, not mucked.
Posted Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:53 am GMT by shorn7
Ummm, I got "throws his cards at the dealer" from the post directly. Pardon me for taking it literally.
I play at Foxwoods and I have seen the floor rule more than once on intent to muck. So, I guess my experience is different.
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:19 am GMT by hookedupmonte
some casinos even if the cards did hit the muck, and then the player thinks he folded the winning hand, and the dealer and player can determine the 2 cards that were his, ive seen floor people call the hands live still. So not always are cards dead that hit the muck.. always ask for rulings at a casino
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:15 am GMT by TheSalche
im still confused as to how you can "throw" your cards at the dealer and not have them go in the muck
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:17 am GMT by groton
| TheSalche wrote: | | im still confused as to how you can "throw" your cards at the dealer and not have them go in the muck |
thats easy the dude did not have a good arm
so they probaly fell short of the muck 
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:11 pm GMT by zinn0
| groton wrote: | thats easy the dude did not have a good arm
so they probaly fell short of the muck |
Must be a pitcher for Boston.
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:24 pm GMT by mindgame
Maybe a Boston Hurler, but definately has a chance to start for the Cubs.
It's all house rules, Guys. 12 months ago that's a muck in my local casino, now it's not (change in management).
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:36 pm GMT by Moon_Child
he threw his cards to the muck, but it didnt get mucked and the dealer gave it back to him so its not folded.
but if the guy made a verbal comment, like "muck my hand or fold or whatever" then cards are dead.
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