Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:58 am GMT by Jordan079
So im going to las vegas for the first time being legal. I want to play 1/2 no limit if i can find it. My question is, how much should you buy in if you are playing 1/2? What is the general formula used to figure out a good buy in when playing poker at any stakes? thanks
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Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:01 am GMT by Jefecaminador
Buy in for the max thats allowed... always. That being said, i have no idea what the max buy in for 1/2 in vegas is. I would assume 200, but i've heard that the blinds compared to buy ins are big in vegas so it might only be 100 max or something like that.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:57 am GMT by crack
If you suck buy in as a short stack and play small stack strategy (IE. hope you hit a hand and can double up)
If you are a decent player then buy in the full amount.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:42 am GMT by jimmer
| crack wrote: | If you suck buy in as a short stack and play small stack strategy (IE. hope you hit a hand and can double up)
If you are a decent player then buy in the full amount. |
I disagree.
If you "suck" play tighter and wait for better hands. Starting with the smaller stack will narrow your chances of success.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:11 am GMT by crack
Short stack strategy, even though it is terribly annoying is perfectly valid. If you are a bad player then you do not want to be playing with a deep stack as you will make mistakes and lose.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:24 am GMT by jimmer
| crack wrote: | | If you are a bad player then you do not want to be playing with a deep stack as you will make mistakes and lose. |
If you are a "bad" player, you have to address the reasons why. This is not what the post is about. Whether you arrive at the table with $10 or $10,000, if you are a "bad" player when you arrive, you will still be a "bad" player when you leave.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:14 am GMT by crack
Jimmer, the guy asked about what buy ins were recommended. I said if he is good then best to play with a big stack and if bad to play with a shorter stack.
What I have said is perfectly valid and true. Go and look up some short stack discussions.
It's just logic really.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:47 am GMT by jimmer
| crack wrote: | | I said if he is good then best to play with a big stack and if bad to play with a shorter stack. |
No, if he is "bad", he should play with a large stack on a lower limit table.
Being short stacked should be through losing hands, poor play and bad decisions, NOT choice.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:27 am GMT by Jefecaminador
I dont think live tables go lower than 1/2. And if hes not that great, and just looking to have some fun, theres no reason why buying in short stacked is a bad idea.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:01 am GMT by mindgame
No kidding. If there's a table under 2/4 in Vegas I don't know where the heck you'd find it or why you'd want to. I've never seen anthing lower than 3/6.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:03 am GMT by TxShadow
| mindgame wrote: | | No kidding. If there's a table under 2/4 in Vegas I don't know where the heck you'd find it or why you'd want to. I've never seen anthing lower than 3/6. |
They're talking NL though, I'm sure you can find a 1/2 NL game though I'm sure it would be hard to find something lower than that (in fact I bet you couldn't).
FL you're right though, 3/6 is probably as low as you can go, though there's probably some 2/4 somewhere.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:22 pm GMT by suitedaces84
If you buy in short the game will be much easier. I haven't played much live NL, but when I do there are always very large preflop raises. If you have a large effective stack making large preflop raises with position will put your opponents in some tough spots is generally good. If you have a small effective stack the same preflop raise is a big mistake.
*effective stack = your stack or your oppoent's, which ever is smaller
For example, if I have an effective stack of $600 in a 1/2 game, my loose aggressive opponent raises to $16 on my BB and I have AQ I really can't do much. I will, on average, I have him crushed. But the threat of him actually having a hand monster is too great because if he does it may be very costly.
If I only had $60 I could just push all-in because he won't have a monster anywhere near often enough.
Playing short simplifies the game and will turn otherwise tricky opponents into easy opponents (from what I've seen the "tricky" players fail to adjust when dealing with short stacks). Unless you're one of the best players at the table you'll be much better off playing short.
Another consideration is how you will play with a large amount in front of you. If you're not accustomed to playing with that much in front of you and the money means a lot to you, chances are you'll play scared, poorly and will lose. In NL you should never have more in front of you than you're willing to lose on one hand. This is a personal thing but if the idea of dropping $300 on one hand scares you don't buy-in for that much.
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:32 pm GMT by Cheech3398
| jimmer wrote: | | crack wrote: | If you suck buy in as a short stack and play small stack strategy (IE. hope you hit a hand and can double up)
If you are a decent player then buy in the full amount. |
I disagree.
If you "suck" play tighter and wait for better hands. Starting with the smaller stack will narrow your chances of success. |
If you are bad and can admit it, playing a short stack will scare the better players becasue they know that on a short stack you must make more drastic moves (even if the weak player doesnt realize it). I think playing with a deep stack as a weak player must equal slowly paying off the sharks.
On the smae note, if you can admit that you are bad, you shouldnt be playing at all...maybe buy lottery tickets?
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:17 am GMT by Jordan079
hey thanks for all the replies. Anyway i feel that I am a good solid player. Ive played 1/2 at home games and usually come out big. This is my first real casino poker that I will be playing but I don't think the environment will affect my game.
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