Chalk one up for the good guys!!! |
|
Posted Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:54 pm GMT by BadBeatJones
NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $5+$1 (Real Money), #629,574,250
Elgin Single Table Tournament, 21 Jun 2006 2:29 PM ET
Seat 1: Hogjowls ($1,920 in chips)
Seat 2: imjakes1 ($1,785 in chips)
Seat 3: wonsickchick ($2,300 in chips)
Seat 5: badbeatjones ($1,195 in chips)
Seat 6: Twonbymaaj ($2,575 in chips)
Seat 8: Lopaka73 ($3,420 in chips)
Seat 9: ray83 ($1,805 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Twonbymaaj posts blind ($100), Lopaka73 posts blind ($200).
PRE-FLOP
ray83 folds, Hogjowls bets $500, imjakes1 folds, wonsickchick folds, badbeatjones calls $500, Twonbymaaj folds, Lopaka73 folds.
I had pocket kings and smooth called hoping to pick-up 1 of the blinds. (not a preferred play) But I was looking to gamble here.
FLOP board cards 4H4C3C
Hogjowls checks, badbeatjones bets $695 and is all-in, Hogjowls bets $1,390.
I was horriffied to see he was holding 3-4 and had flopped the boat. He was on a pure blind steal bluff pre-flop and flopped the nuts. He must have been in his glories when i pushed it
TURN board cards 4H4C3CJS
RIVER board cards 4H4C3CJSKD
SHOWDOWN
Hogjowls shows 3H4D
badbeatjones shows KSKC
Hogjowls wins $695, badbeatjones wins $2,690.
SUMMARY
Dealer: badbeatjones
Pot: $3,385
Hogjowls, bets $1,890, collects $695, net -$1,195
imjakes1, loses $0
wonsickchick, loses $0
badbeatjones, bets $1,195, collects $2,690, net $1,495
Twonbymaaj, loses $100
Lopaka73, loses $200
ray83, loses $0
In the end the good guy prevails!!! I'm usually on the other side of these situations, i must say it felt pretty good to suck-out for once.
Did you know that participating in a poker forum can help you improve your own game? Be it by sharing experiences or simply asking for help, participation in a forum helps you focus and keep 'on topic' which will help you improve your game. You can learn from other players feedback and from their experiences. Why the THP poker forums? We offer one of the best managed texas holdem poker forums available, and the community within is far more friendly than those typicaly found on other sites. We've made a 'lurkers edition' of the poker forum available here on Holdem Poker Online, but we encourage all visitors to register and join in on the conversations on TexasHoldem-Poker.com
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:22 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Quite the intresting hand. Don't limp with KK though, there's plenty more value in raising. Especially with the small amount of chips you had at the time. A push preflop would be perfectly justifiable here.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:38 am GMT by BadBeatJones
| LeafsFan1122 wrote: | | Quite the intresting hand. Don't limp with KK though, there's plenty more value in raising. Especially with the small amount of chips you had at the time. A push preflop would be perfectly justifiable here. |
Thanks leaf. Interesting it was. I dont feel i "limped" w/ KK here though. Thats a definite No-No... I merely smooth called a $500 raise from someone in EP hoping to pick up an additional caller from the blinds. As I said in my original post (it was not the preferred play). Normally with KK. I would push it all-in to drive out any other callers but with being the shortstack I was willing to take the gamble of picking up another caller and a bigger pot. (Again, not the recomended play I know). But I will do this on occassion when I'm shortstacked and looking for a big pot.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:39 am GMT by Gogie
Your thought process about smooth calling into the blinds is ok, I suppose, but it goes out the window when Hogjowls raises to $500. At that point you have to push all-in with KK. This accomplishes one of two things. 1- If you get called you're probably up against AK, AQ, Ax or a smaller PP (chances of AA are slim but not impossible and you're pretty much committed to busting out anyway if Hogjowls has AA - that's poker) so you've got all your chips in with the best hand preflop. 2- If Hogjowls is trying to steal the blinds (which he obviously was) then there's no way he can call your all-in so you save yourself the risk of him sucking out with garbage (which he did). Limping with KK preflop after a raise is the wrong play every time.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:58 am GMT by BadBeatJones
| Gogie wrote: | | Your thought process about smooth calling into the blinds is ok, I suppose, but it goes out the window when Hogjowls raises to $500. At that point you have to push all-in with KK. This accomplishes one of two things. 1- If you get called you're probably up against AK, AQ, Ax or a smaller PP (chances of AA are slim but not impossible and you're pretty much committed to busting out anyway if Hogjowls has AA - that's poker) so you've got all your chips in with the best hand preflop. 2- If Hogjowls is trying to steal the blinds (which he obviously was) then there's no way he can call your all-in so you save yourself the risk of him sucking out with garbage (which he did). Limping with KK preflop after a raise is the wrong play every time. |
I have to disagree with you Gogie. If I push after the raise from Hogjowls what do i gain? I lose the possibilty of picking up either of the blinds and Hogjowls folds. All I get is his $500 and I'm still the shortstack. The blinds are $100 and $200 and will be going to $150-$300 shortly. I would be forced to play something much less than KK in the near future. You wait a long time for a hand like this to come along. When your the shortstack you need to be willing to gamble in order to accumulate enough chips to compete in the long run. Now if I werent the shortstack then that would be a different story. If I were in the middle of the pack then a push or at least a reraise was in order to prevent anymore callers. When you have some chips in front of you to play with you need to protect a hand like KK from callers with A-x. But I wasnt looking to prevent callers. I was looking to invite them.
Maybe I just see it differently than most but i do appreciate the feedback. Keep it coming I'm curious as to how others think about my play here.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:59 pm GMT by UrAteUp
All-in baby pre-flop. When jowls made it $500 you should have made it $1000. You want to make him think twice before playing hands like 34o and bs like that. When you limp a monster hand you kill it's value. You allow other hands into the pot who could beat you at any moment. Best to push and pray with AA, KK and even QQ.
Sure you might only pick up blinds plus his $500, but think if that third K wouldn't have hit. You would be out and still wondering if you did the right thing.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:11 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Push preflop. Blinds aren't calling without a hand anyway, and Hogjowls really can't fold after you push, getting 3:1 to call.
In most situations, if you're trying to double up, you're more likely to get called preflop than on the flop; and when you do get called on the flop, you rarely wind up happy about it.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:30 pm GMT by BadBeatJones
Sound advice guys. Thanks a bunch for the feedback. I'm new here but have been playing a while. Its nice to see people chime in with their opinions. It really helps give a different view on how the hand could be played differently. I feel my style of play on this particular hand, given the circumstances was justified but I also understand where you are all coming from by saying I should of pushed preflop.
Thanks for the feedback.
BBJ
|
|
