My first casino experience, it can't get any worse |
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Posted Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:54 pm GMT by shortstacked
I was visiting my buddy in Fort Lauderdale last week. He had to work that day and the casino was within walking distance, so I thought, what the heck I'll give it a shot.
So, I get there, put my name on the board for $1/$2 and my name is called in about 5 minutes. I buy-in for $100 and sit down.
I was worried about being overmatched compared to what I see on Party Poker but I was stunned at how bad the play was. It was truly unbelieveable, worse than I've seen in my home games and even on low-limit Party Poker, I kid you not. I saw people calling pre-flop raises with Q/2 off-suit and winning these pots with miracle flops. I saw a guy raising and cap pre-flop with pocket 4's from early position. He flopped a set and won a huge pot. The same guy did not fold one hand, not one!, pre-flop. He'd call everything. I had been sitting there for about 4 hours and had not won a single hand. I probably should have moved, but I figured this table was there for the taking if I could ever catch a hand.
In 4 hours of play my best hand was 7/7 and I of course didn't hit a set with it. I also caught A/K off-suit once but didn't get any help. Up to this point I had seen 1 hand to a show down. I had top 2 pair on the board and lost to a guy who hit an 8 on the turn and the river and he beat me with 8/5 OS and 2 overcards on the board. I have no clue why he was calling my raises.
The last hand I am still steaming about. I'm down to 20 chips and I'm in EP with 5/5. I just call. Nobody raises. Flop is 5/3/2 with 2 diamonds. Finally I get a helpful flop, even though there is a flush draw on the board. I said to myself, screw it, this is the pot to take even with a flush draw on the board. Guy before me bets, I raise, it winds up to me and I cap. At this point I figure the guys in the pot (4 of us left) either have flush draw or a pocket pair like 8/8 or something like that. Turn is a 10h, I cap again. Good, no flush yet. River is an 8h. I'm not too worried about a flush at this point as they'd have been chasing a runner-runner to make a flush, although with these clowns who knows. I bet out, and at this point I'm out of chips and only 1 guy is left in the hand (the chasers had folded). I flip over my two 5's ready to take the pot down. Guess what he flipped over. 6/4 OS and I am done. He called with that crap hand from early position and got a complete miracle flop. I could not believe it. I could have accepted it if it was A/4 suited or something, but 6/4 OS? That's not a hand anyone should call with even in the SB! I just looked at him and said "you have got to be kidding me". I stood up and then left.
Another thing I noticed was that nobody would fold if they were raised pre-flop and were already in the pot. I just wish I could have hit just a couple of hands, the money was there for the taking.
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Posted Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:57 pm GMT by Fat Tony
cant say that i blame you for being pissed, but that quite often happens at the lower limits. all i can suggest is maybe changing tables next time.
Posted Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:04 am GMT by nicthestick
he called the blinds with connected cards, and hit a miracle. Be very glad that you were not sitting at 10/20 or a big No Limit game.
Posted Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:34 pm GMT by Matt T
The 4/8 tables I play are not that much different. Just Monday night I was getting quite a few pocket pairs, many of them 10s or higher. I lost EVERY one of those hands (whether I folded or showed it). Then I win a pot with 9-4o (OK, I was in the BB on that one) and my flush beat another guy's high straight, with 2-4c. In fact, we were all joking at the table about how such garbage hands were taking down pots.
I don't really know what to do to combat it except to see a lot of flops and to know who your up against after that (not everybody chases as much as some do). But raising pre-flop doesn't seem to help much.
Posted Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:30 pm GMT by Always_Bored
That sucks man. I Know exactly how that feels. I played a game the other day just like that. It wasnt in a casino though, but its the same thing. You could raise huge preflop and at most you would get one fold. two of the guys played every single freaking hand. The worst part is I was just waiting for a semi decent hand to take all their money. It never came. One guy called all in with a pair of 2's and another guy called him on it with an Ace high. That was after the river. There is no way any help is coming for that ace but he still called. He said "I was trying to bluff" Trying to bluff by calling a raise!?!?!? What did he expect, the other guy to go "well he called me I better fold" Thats how bad these people were and yet my best hand was two low pair and i lost to a full house.
Posted Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:10 pm GMT by shortstacked
| nicthestick wrote: | | he called the blinds with connected cards, and hit a miracle. Be very glad that you were not sitting at 10/20 or a big No Limit game. |
He didn't have connectors, he had 6/4. I can't imagine anyone at a 10/20 table calling with that crap. If they were to call with that crap they wouldn't be around very long at those stakes.
Oh well, I'm taking a break for awhile (online as well). Maybe next time will be better.
Posted Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:24 pm GMT by nicthestick
I really like to take a flop with one gap connectors. That is a very hard hand for people to read. If im on 79, and the flop comes A86, if there are enough people in the pot, im going all the way in a limit game. I cant tell you how much money I have made on one gap connectors.
Posted Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:49 am GMT by Dave B
At any casino I have played the bottom limit is nearly intolerable. Try to step up to the 2nd or 3rd tier. At 1/2, 2/4 or even 3/6 at times it becomes like playing the lotto w/ a 10% rake instead of playing poker.
Posted Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:11 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | I flip over my two 5's ready to take the pot down. Guess what he flipped over. 6/4 OS and I am done. He called with that crap hand from early position and got a complete miracle flop. I could not believe it. I could have accepted it if it was A/4 suited or something, but 6/4 OS? |
My first hand in a casino at a $1/$2 table and I get dealt the rockets. I raise pre-flop and everyone except the guy behind me calls. The flop is Q 4 6 rainbow. I'm second to act. I bet and 5 people call. The turn is a 6. I bet only 4 people call. The river comes out a 7. I bet and the guy behind me re-raises. Everyone else folds. I'm thinking that no one would call all of those raises (especially a pre-flop raise) with 5/8os so I re-raise. He re-raises again. Now I'm thinking that maybe he just thinks I'm a pot chucker. Nope. He called all of those raises with a 3/5 os and caught the straight on the river. I'll never play limit in a casino again unless it's at least $5/$10. I blew nearly $20 on that hand when all was said and done. Can you say tilt? 
Oh yeah, did I mention that I was drunk too. That really didn't help me take that beat well. If I can give anyone any advice it would be "don't sit down to play low limit poker in a casino after you've been drinking for 12 hours". Oh yeah, and be prepared to see the river on every hand. Everyone else does.
Posted Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:56 pm GMT by mindgame
Please don't think that can't be exactly how it goes down in $5/10. Over the weekend (the most expensive and miserable of my life) I got beat by a guy who rivered an inside straight after calling THREE preflop raises with his 37off. And that was 10/20. Losing money to complete idiots--I know what happens now if I die and go to Hell.
Posted Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:36 pm GMT by aces_empty
my first casino experience was similar. It's no fold em hold em when you play those low limit tables. I made the mistake a few times of trying to bluff and got beat by a guy who stayed in with nothing. It happens though, you have to be a lot more fundemental and tighter when playing low limit, it sucks though, takes away any style that you're used to.
Posted Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:12 pm GMT by JacksLose
I disagree. I've found the only way you can beat a very low limit game is to see almost every flop. Waiting around for premium hands just doesnt work cause someones gonna chase that flush. They wont always make it, but they will enough to bust you. The only way to come up in these games is to be that guy. Low limit games are gambling. Its where I go when I feel like chasing miracles.
Posted Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:04 pm GMT by DocHolliday
I feel for all of you. After playing in home games and tournaments, I decided to try the 3/6 and 4/8 tables at casinos. Over tha past 2 weeks, I've lost enough to never play in a casino again...ever...unless it's a no-limit tournament. Getting KKQQ beaten by 555 on the turn when the flop is KQ7 and I hold KQ. If you can't bet them out of the pot right there on the flop, they're gonna call and the stakes are low enough that they have the pot odds to see at least one more card. Another instance of 68o calling a pre-flop raise when I have A9 and I flop a pair of aces, but the other person flops a pair of 6's, and hits a full-house runner runner.
The flop cards are the skill cards and the turn and river are the luck cards. You gotta pretty much risk your bankroll and see every hand to the end, at least so it seems.
I'm not complaining about the beginners being in the game, as I am one. But I took the time to learn the game right and it's very frustrating when luck beats skill seemingly every time. Unfortunately, I don't have the money to play higher stakes at limit, but I can imagine from all the posts that the rich beginners will play the same way as the poor beginners.
Posted Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:10 pm GMT by Dave B
I know what you mean-AA raise called by k6. Flop was 776 (ok dodge a 7 and I am a winner), bet, called, 6 on the turn. I went home after that.
Posted Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:19 pm GMT by darcy tucker
So what are we saying here? There must be a way to counteract a really loose and inexperience table. Does anybody have any strategy here cause I really want to know.
Posted Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:24 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| darcy tucker wrote: | | So what are we saying here? There must be a way to counteract a really loose and inexperience table. Does anybody have any strategy here cause I really want to know. |
My opinion is to keep playing the premium hands. Occasionally they will beat you with crap but more often then not your cards will hold up.
Posted Tue May 11, 2004 12:42 pm GMT by Supersquid191
My experience is to play tight early. Play premium hands until you get up some money, then you can loosen up a little. You need to identify who calls with crap, and who the guys are who are playing tight. There won't usually be too many tight players, but you don't want to clash with them unless you have a really good hand.
I usually play $5-$10 and average about $150-$200 a night. I have taken over $500 more then one night, although I have played for 9 hours to only win $4's. Remember your playing for the long haul not just the quick hit.
Some people may get "lucky" and hit there river, but more often then not good hands beat bad hands. I have also found that when your gut tells you to get out, get out! There is no need to chase AA's to the river when you know someone caught a straight just so you can have the pleasure of showing a hand "You shouldn't have been beat with."
Posted Tue May 11, 2004 4:05 pm GMT by ride928
Yeah, it's called don't even bother sitting down. Sharks can't feed properly in low limit casino tables. First off, the hardest player to beat at those tables doesnt even have a chair....the rake. The rake is hard enough to beat let alone morons. There is no such thing as bluffing 1/2 or 2/4. It will go to the river EVERYTIME. I've actually seen someone go to the river and flip over a 9 high like it was rockets or something. I won't even sit at anything lower than 5/10 anymore. I used to like to sit at 2/4 and actually have a good time and have a few drinks. It was more relaxing to play a lower stake game after I made my profits for the session and just felt like playing more. NEVER AGAIN. I can't even begin to tell you the amount of times I got rivered.
Posted Thu May 13, 2004 11:54 pm GMT by Blarg
Back when I was a stud player and just really getting into poker, this is what happened.
I was a horrible 1/2, 2/4, 3/6, and 4/8 player. Lost ASTOUNDING amounts of money per session sometimes compared to what you realy should lose.
I switched to 5/10 and for some reason started winning like crazy but still losing some. Overall though, I became quite a solidly, predictably winning player -- seemed miraculous when you can't beat a 1/2 table.
Switched to 10/20 started winning far more often still. Switched to 15/30 started winning far money but stability went down a bit. Seems that 10/20 had people who played like the money really mattered, and they really fought hard for and earned their money. 15/30 is when the richer people started coming in, and more hands were played to the river, much like the 1/2 and 2/4 and 3/6 games. If you hit, you hit really big. But you could lose much more too. Overall though, still a winner.
So I could beat 5/10, 10/20, and 15/30 and couldn't beat the lower games???
Some reasons: many strategic concepts simply don't apply in lower limit games. People call, seriously -- just for fun. Or because they don't know what they're doing. Or because everyone else at the whole table just called and they love the action. After a while, even intelligent and experienced players can see such enormous potential implied odds and pot odds for their calls that they feel they should call too. It all adds up to almost everybody having a reason to call at least sometimes, somewhere a long the line. The number of people calling the initial cards, flop, turn, and river skyrockets. At that point, your slyest read of someone's actions doesn't matter much, because 4 yoohoos are also calling. Say you put a guy on junk -- maybe any two suited or any two straight cards. You feel confident you can beat him in the long run. And you CAN. But - can you beat not just his inside straight draw, but EVERYBODY's, all night?
No way in hell.
Subtle advantages are what good players try to cultivate. Showdown games give him no advantage at all. He is no more likely to get miracle cards than anyone else. But unlike others, he is not betting on miracles -- he's trying to get his normal hourly take in a reasoned and reasonable manner. The best he can expect though, is wild and potentially catastrophic swings compared to the bet sizes he's dealing with, when playing low tables, because your skill edge is eliminated when people run you down to the last card one by one. You might be able to beat every person on the table one by one EVERY time -- but you cannot beat the entire table at once on any reliable basis when they're all in, and all raising and acting crazy, almost every hand.
Don't bother sitting down is the best advice possible, and most poker books recommend it.
Remember, if you are trying to learn from higher limit or higher level players, or reading books, you are killing yourself trying to apply that knowledge to low limit games. The stuff they tend to talk about as suggesting what cards people hold rarely applies; the stuff they talk about suggesting what people will do rarely applies. All you can do is just take advice that is inappropriate for the game you're playing, find it makes you lose, develop terrible habits to try to counter that in the small games, lose doing it because those habits don't really make a lot of sense and very little strategy really applies in the lottery of the low limit games, and then take your terrible habits to higher level games where you will just get COMPLETELY slaughtered.
Person after person comes from the small games and finds themselves suddenly winning in the bigger ones.
Honestly, the low games can teach you the flow of plays, what the rules are, can get you used to the speed of decision making necessary, can teach you how to deal with fatigue and anger and self-doubt and how you hold together or fall apart dealing with them, can get you starting to read and undertand body language and tells and psychology in poker (both your own and that of others) -- they can be a way to eventually get the machinery oiled and working.
But the chance that you will learn much about the game that matters is more than offset by the almost inevitable adaptation that you will try to make in order to win, which will do nothing but give you perhaps (and understand this well) permanent bad habits that could cost you a fortune in the long run.
Small games can wind up costing you serious amounts of money in two ways -- one by just making you plow money into showdown games that are inherently about who wins the lucky card lottery and inherently have HUGE bankroll swings, and secondarily by making you try gamely to adapt and thereby leaving you with mental and behavioral patterns that will completely destroy your ability to play higher level games.
Like the theorizing in Sklansky, Malmouth, and the like that make you think poker is a game where mental and emotional clarity and assiduous application and discipline actually pay off? Then stay away from games where they don't.
And yes, as the poster said above me, the rake in lower limit games is astronomical. Usually, or at least as often as not, it is actually higher than what the best players can expect to extract from a game per hour.
For instance, in Southern California casinos, you must play 20/40 poker before you're actually clearing money outside of paying the "rake". 15/30 you break even.
Think about that next time you play a low limit game. It's almost impossible to win till you get to medium limit just because of the rake.
Fart around and enjoy yourself elsewhere if you like. But you'll be doing yourself much more of a favor to perhaps stay away from poker until you can beat the rake.
Tourneys, by the way, for the talented player can eliminate some of that problem.
Posted Fri May 14, 2004 12:08 am GMT by Blarg
Oh by the way, just for fun and by way of proving my point with yet another (yawn) bad beat story.
Yesterday at a tiny limit game (I was trying to play four at once! kinda fun but very hard) a guy COLD called two raises from tight, relatively solid players (me and another guy) with what turned out to be 10, 7 offsuit.
What the ???? He would have had to hit perfectly in the middle to have a mere DRAW that was not even the nut draw(don't forget about flush draws too, besides the straights), and hit the absolutely perfect flop to get a straight that wasn't even the nut straight!
Later the guy told someone who called his bet on the last card, you shoulda folded when I bet. I coulda made it. I was on a draw.
I was careful to remember this guy's name, by the way.  I actually went looking for his game tonight.
Posted Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:25 am GMT by AceyEm
Wow, everyone must have a cayack or a rubber raft where you all play.
I didn't see very much river chasing at all in the Sahara's poker room.
I was playing video poker just outside their poker room when I heard them call twice for players at the 2/4 table.
I thought "what the heck" and cashed out on my machine and wandered on over with two buckets of quarters and asked the guy to hold a spot while I converted the jingle money into the folding stuff.
I bought in for 100 and sat down to what seemed like a single deck Pinochole game. Almost everyone folded pre-flop. If 3 or more players stayed in to see the flop most folded at the turn's first big bet. Most hands went head to head between two players.
One strange thing at this table was that it was 3rd shift and there was a couple of 2nd shift dealers playing their tip money away. One was a dealer the poker tables the other was a blackjack dealer. Perhaps everyone was playing a little smarter because of the "staff" seated at the table.
BTW the blackjack dealer got cleaned out really fast but the poker dealer played for about 8 hours although his success wasn't anything to brag about either. The really big winner was a well dressed oriental man who started with only 100 and left with 3 trays of chips and a bucketfull of quarters. He never colored up or bet his change. The dealers had to keep filling the quarter slots.
This table had 6-10 players all the time but I rarely saw the river races that you all describe. There were several hands where the blind won because everyone folded. The dealer didn't bother to rake the blind bet either. Just shuffled and went to the next hand.
One other curiosity,,, when only two players were left in a hand the dealer would call "Only 2 left, No limit now." although no one ever went "all-in".
Unless I was the blind, I folded everything except 10s and higher or suited faces. A few people caught on that I only bet when I had something. I won quite a few hands after the flop due to everyone else folding. I may have missed an opportunity for some bluffage here.
Posted Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:19 am GMT by snoogins47
I wouldn't say the skilled player has no advantage in a showdown game.
Betting still exists in no fold'em, and the idea is to minimize losses when you get shit cards, and maximize gains when you get strong.
That being said, you definitely have to alter your game somewhat. You know you cannot protect your high pairs or whatnot, due to the huge amount of callers.
The pots are almost always huge, so you almost always get proper odds to draw to hands though.
From my experience, most of your profit will come from playing fairly tight, only draw to the nuts, and do not hesitate to bet very, very hard when you've got the best of it.
It's a crazy game, low limit hold'em, and I wouldn't hesitate to say the variance is relatively much higher, and the rake is usually harder to overcome, but I would never go so far as to say it's unbeatable, like many will.
Posted Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:15 am GMT by JimTheBullet
| AceyEm wrote: |
One other curiosity,,, when only two players were left in a hand the dealer would call "Only 2 left, No limit now." although no one ever went "all-in". |
I'm not a limit player but doesn't this mean no limit on the number of bets as opposed to the size of the bet? I believe that in limit games you can cap the betting (after 4 bets / raises??) but this cap no longer applies when only 2 are left.
Posted Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:07 pm GMT by humbleman
Those are the rules I am familiar with :D
Posted Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:10 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| JimTheBullet wrote: | | AceyEm wrote: |
One other curiosity,,, when only two players were left in a hand the dealer would call "Only 2 left, No limit now." although no one ever went "all-in". |
I'm not a limit player but doesn't this mean no limit on the number of bets as opposed to the size of the bet? I believe that in limit games you can cap the betting (after 4 bets / raises??) but this cap no longer applies when only 2 are left. |
that is correct
Posted Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:37 am GMT by River Liver
I think that the buffoons calling everything are an advantage because more often than not they are drawing dead or raising trips when straights and flushes abound.If one is agressive with strong hands there is a fortune waiting to be had.Also when you win a monster or a couple in a row they become timid and are very suseptible to bluffs.
What scares me is these habits I aquire beating up on neubies and morons, will inhibit or ruin my chances at the real money.I've only been playing for less than a year as it has only come to Florida recently but it is all I think about, and my work and family are getting in the way of my true love.
Posted Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:31 pm GMT by Blarg
They don't get intimidated by anyone's wins in the California casinos I've played in.
Often table after table literally caps every two cards before the flop, every player or close enough, and they don't even decide what their hands are before the flop. And by that time, there's so much money in the pot the odds are too good NOT to stay in and not be intimidated, and all those other 9 guys will get paid off just like you do. And you'll all be risking a ton of money even at a low limit game to find out who wins at the showdown.
Those kind of players absolutely LOVE the crazy variance -- that's what makes it fun, and that's what makes it gambling. They LIKE gambling; they don't necessarily have much interest at all in doing the mathematically correct thing.
Half of them will win one day, and half the next day, and you'll find some place in there too -- but not cheaply. And you'll lose with the best hand an incredibly high percentage of the time, because even good hands don't hold up to 9 guys all that well.
Takes a big bankroll and quite a fair share of luck of your own to win at those games even when they're small.
I regularly got but kickings at 2/4 and 3/6 games, and regularly beat 10/20 and 15/30 games, for a period of years. The little games aren't as easy as people make them out to be.
One proof of that is that I saw virtually none of the guys moving from 2/4 or 3/6 to the 10/20 and 15/30. Once in an extremely rare while a lower limit player tried for a day or two, but got his butt kicked so fast, and his play style worked so badly, that of the few who ever even tried, it was to "take a shot" when they (AGAIN) wanted to gamble to see if they could make a quick "big score" playing with the bigger boys. I'm kind of grinning to myself in wonder trying even to remember the guys that did move up successfully, because I'm drawing blank after blank. I just can't remember it happening over the course of the something around 3 years that I played.
Posted Sun Jun 06, 2004 6:11 pm GMT by Veiled Threat
What's interesting is how this thread completely parallels the "legends vs online" rumblings from WSOP (&etc) (Annie Duke for example).
Poker is still a numbers game, however, use of "traditional" strategy in bad situations leaves you in danger of being overwhelmed by dumb luck. Like, um, Space Invaders. It doesn't matter if you kill 200 of the buggers, all it takes is for 1 to get through the bunkers and you're dead.
You see this all the time in tournaments too - A maniac goes "all-in" early with a marginal hand, gets another maniac to follow. The result? A maniac doing the rebuy and a maniac with a big stack who's gonna drive you nuts.
Likewise, a tight player vs 9 maniacs can be a long, long afternoon if you don't make adjustments.
But at the same time, one of the core philosophies of Poker is to know your opponents, read the table, and adapt accordingly. If you've been "spoiled" by only playing one type of player (ie: good players) and
it's made other aspects of your game go rusty you have no one to blame but yourself.
All strategy has a counter, even "crazy bet the cap on anything strategy"...
In these types of games, if at all possible try to see the flop! Everyone else is, why shouldn't you? The key though is to take what advantage you can. Other players are going to stay in with almost anything and in many cases just plain anything. Adjust yourself so you'll stay in (check/call) with stuff you would normally check/fold but not complete crap. You gain a big advantage here against opponents who'll call, call, call and even raise with J2 while you demonstrate at least some selectivity.
When you see the flop NOW is the time to play tight! But still, be prepared to do a *little* chasing, particularly when the pot odds are in your favour (which they will be often, given how many players will still be in the pot). Just don't chase as badly as everyone else who're going to be heading down the river after everything and anything.
I don't know how many hands I've been in where everyone wants to raise, raise, raise pre-flop, but then once the flop comes they realise they don't have a hand and it's check, check, check all around the table. Take advantage of this and punish them!
Keep in mind that with everyone staying in until the flop, straights and particularly flushes are common. If the flop/turn/river indicates there's the possibility of a flush you can EXPECT someone to have it because they're more than happy to chase the river with T2s from bad position and a shallow pot.
If you play too tight, all that's going to happen is you'll be folding hands you could have made on the flop/turn/river and when you do take a hand far there's so many people still in the pot it's almost inevitable someone's going to make a bullsh flop on a horrible hand that should have been folded immediately. So scale back your expectations of your hand. What amounts to a good hand in a tight game, is not neccessarily a very good hand in a super-loose game. Again, if the flop and turn are shaping up to give a flush or straight on the river, you do NOT want to be going to the river against 4 other players with *only* a big pair!
Remember also these players have little real concept of hand strength - For example, the idea that a their flush can be beat by a flush with a better top card or kicker is seldom going to occur to them. So if you have a big flush make the guy with the low flush pay and pay badly.
Your variance is going to be all over the place in these types of games, but they are beatable if you keep your head and stay a little patient.
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