Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:01 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Real Money Ring Game
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
City of Joy 8161415-32022 Holdem No Limit $0.05/$0.10
Jun 23 21:54:18 : Hand Start.
Jun 23 21:54:18 : Seat 1 : trumpit has $1.85
Jun 23 21:54:18 : Seat 2 : abigfan has $3.60
Jun 23 21:54:18 : Seat 3 : dipsydoyle has $9.50
Jun 23 21:54:18 : Seat 4 : PEGGY DEL has $2.49
Jun 23 21:54:18 : Seat 5 : bubsqueak has $1.90
Jun 23 21:54:18 : Seat 6 : alib has $8.21
Jun 23 21:54:18 : Seat 7 : geojack has $16.76
Jun 23 21:54:18 : Seat 8 : Matthew_D71 has $1.02
Jun 23 21:54:18 : Seat 9 : 7iron has $9.75
Jun 23 21:54:18 : abigfan is the dealer.
Jun 23 21:54:18 : dipsydoyle posted small blind.
Jun 23 21:54:24 : PEGGY DEL posted big blind.
Jun 23 21:54:24 : Game 32022 started with 9 players.
Jun 23 21:54:24 : Dealing Hole Cards.
Jun 23 21:54:24 : Seat 2 : abigfan has 3c Jc
Jun 23 21:54:26 : bubsqueak folded.
Jun 23 21:54:28 : alib folded.
Jun 23 21:54:29 : geojack called $0.10
Jun 23 21:54:31 : Matthew_D71 folded.
Jun 23 21:54:31 : 7iron folded.
Jun 23 21:54:34 : trumpit called $0.10
Jun 23 21:54:40 : abigfan called $0.10
Jun 23 21:54:43 : dipsydoyle called $0.05
Jun 23 21:54:57 : PEGGY DEL has 10 seconds to respond.
Jun 23 21:55:09 : PEGGY DEL checked.
Jun 23 21:55:09 : Dealing flop.
Jun 23 21:55:09 : Board cards   
Jun 23 21:55:15 : dipsydoyle bet $0.80
Jun 23 21:56:31 : PEGGY DEL has 10 seconds to respond.
Jun 23 21:56:41 : PEGGY DEL folded.
Jun 23 21:56:42 : geojack folded.
Jun 23 21:56:44 : trumpit called $0.80
Jun 23 21:56:46 : abigfan called $0.80
Jun 23 21:56:47 : Dealing turn.
Jun 23 21:56:47 : Board cards 
Jun 23 21:56:49 : dipsydoyle bet $8.60 and is All-in
Jun 23 21:56:51 : trumpit called $0.95 and is All-in
Jun 23 21:56:53 : abigfan called $2.70 and is All-in
Jun 23 21:56:54 : Showdown!
Jun 23 21:56:54 : Seat 2 : abigfan has 3c Jc
Jun 23 21:56:55 : Seat 1 : trumpit has As 2d
Jun 23 21:56:55 : Seat 2 : abigfan has 3c Jc
Jun 23 21:56:55 : Seat 3 : dipsydoyle has Ah 7d
Jun 23 21:57:00 : Board cards 
Jun 23 21:57:00 : Seat 3 : dipsydoyle has Ah 7d
Jun 23 21:57:00 : dipsydoyle has Full House : 7s full of Aces
Jun 23 21:57:00 : Seat 2 : abigfan has 3c Jc
Jun 23 21:57:00 : abigfan has Flush AJ743
Jun 23 21:57:00 : dipsydoyle wins $3.33 with Full House : 7s full of Aces
Jun 23 21:57:00 : Seat 3 : dipsydoyle has Ah 7d
Jun 23 21:57:00 : dipsydoyle has Full House : 7s full of Aces
Jun 23 21:57:00 : Seat 1 : trumpit has As 2d
Jun 23 21:57:00 : trumpit has Two Pair: Aces and 7s
Jun 23 21:57:00 : Seat 2 : abigfan has 3c Jc
Jun 23 21:57:00 : abigfan has Flush AJ743
Jun 23 21:57:00 : dipsydoyle wins $5.46 with Full House : 7s full of Aces
Jun 23 21:57:15 : Hand is over.
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Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:36 pm GMT by zinn0
Fold pre. Seriously.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:42 pm GMT by UrAteUp
$0.10 to see the flop and you have two decent suited cards? You want to fold? Sure I could have been beat but with that four flush to the board and no pairs showing....your gonna tell me you wouldn't have went in with this hand and the position I had? Tell me seriously if you have played it the same?
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:46 pm GMT by Johny
UAU, J3s isn't a decent hand.
You limped in EP with a very weak hand, then called the flop getting around 2.5-1 on your money.
Two fairly big mistakes there.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:56 pm GMT by UrAteUp
They were suited?...  ....  . I can see the errors of my ways here. Looks like I found a hole in my game. Wish this wouldn't have been a cash game because I know I would have laid this down in an SNG.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:24 pm GMT by zinn0
| Johny wrote: | UAU, J3s isn't a decent hand.
You limped in EP with a very weak hand, then called the flop getting around 2.5-1 on your money.
Two fairly big mistakes there. |
To add to this, when you say it's only .10 to call, you have to realize that no matter how small the monetary amount is, it's still the BB of the stakes you're playing.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:41 pm GMT by mikenike
yeah, you should've fold pre. but once you hit your flush, you were about a 98.5% chance to win there.
Posted Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:39 pm GMT by Fat Tony
You guys are just being mean. Didn't you see that they were sooooooooted?
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:19 am GMT by Jefecaminador
When you have 2 suited cards you only have a 1 in 7 chance of flopping 2 of your suit. From there you only have a 1 in 3 chance of hitting your flush. Suited cards aren't that helpful.
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:47 am GMT by UrAteUp
Ok I realize now that preflop it was 62/38% to win.
After the flop my chances improved to 54/46% to win. Almost 50/50...
After the turn I was 91% to win. Now tell me here who wouldn't call an all-in bet with 91% hand ?
I had the pot odds...I also had the hand. I just look at it as totally bad luck that the other 7 had to come out on the river.
Damn river rats...
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:40 am GMT by Fat Tony
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Wish this wouldn't have been a cash game because I know I would have laid this down in an SNG. |
Can you explain just what make this hand so playable in a ring game but not in a SNG?
| UrAteUp wrote: | After the turn I was 91% to win. Now tell me here who wouldn't call an all-in bet with 91% hand ?
I had the pot odds...I also had the hand. I just look at it as totally bad luck that the other 7 had to come out on the river.
Damn river rats... |
What you should be looking at is the fact that you shouldn't have played this hand in the first place.
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:55 am GMT by UrAteUp
Good question. I really can't think of one. I guess I should be looking at the fact that the hands I play in SNGs I should also stick to playing SNG type hands in ring games.
Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:26 pm GMT by golddog
Well, no, SNG (or tournaments in general) have different strategies than ring games.
But look at it this way: with J3s, what's the best thing that can happen? You hit a flush.
Even then, you've pretty much got a start on the fourth-best flush (third-best since the A was out in this specific example).
So even when you hit, once in a while you drop a significant stack to a better flush or something crazy like this.
Are you getting odds to call preflop? It doesn't look like it, once you consider the possibility of making a flush that's no good. (Disclosure: I didn't do the math).
zinn's right on...you need to think of things in terms of bets versus the pot, certainly when you're getting going. Of course, there are other factors like a read on the opponent, implied odds, blah, blah, blah, but don't run before you walk.
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