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Is this a bad beat?



Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:52 pm GMT by misterjokerboy
Hi everyone,

Been playing online for a while and feel my game has improved, but at the same time I'm now getting really frustrated at people making really stupid calls and been busted out of a few tournaments this way. The below hand is the worst I've had. Did I do anything wrong here?

Would appreciate any advice.


PokerStars Game #5352941963: Tournament #26999523, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/06/24 - 17:18:04 (ET)
Table '26999523 1' 10-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Phireman05 (3180 in chips)
Seat 2: STACKS4 (1300 in chips)
Seat 3: MyBigjimmys (950 in chips)
Seat 4: ENapoleon (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: Stranger85 (80 in chips)
Seat 6: MommaFelix (1950 in chips)
Seat 7: emmittsboys (1640 in chips)
Seat 8: Indyskies (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: mjb2006 (1480 in chips)
Seat 10: win1mom (1480 in chips)
MommaFelix: posts small blind 10
emmittsboys: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mjb2006 Ace of DiamondsAce of Clubs
Indyskies: calls 20
mjb2006: raises 180 to 200
win1mom: folds
Stranger85 said, "I've lost to about half a dozen runner-runner hands all day"
Phireman05: calls 200
STACKS4: folds
MyBigjimmys: raises 750 to 950 and is all-in
ENapoleon: folds
Stranger85: folds
MommaFelix: folds
emmittsboys: folds
Indyskies: folds
mjb2006: calls 750
Phireman05: calls 750
*** FLOP *** Four of HeartsTwo of SpadesQueen of Spades
mjb2006: bets 530 and is all-in
Phireman05: calls 530
*** TURN *** Four of HeartsTwo of SpadesQueen of Spades Ace of Spades
*** RIVER *** Four of HeartsTwo of SpadesQueen of SpadesAce of Spades Three of Spades
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mjb2006: shows Ace of DiamondsAce of Clubs (three of a kind, Aces)
Phireman05: shows Eight of SpadesEight of Diamonds (a flush, Ace high)
Phireman05 collected 1060 from side pot
MyBigjimmys: shows Queen of ClubsQueen of Hearts (three of a kind, Queens)
Phireman05 collected 2900 from main pot
win1mom said, "ouch"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3960 Main pot 2900. Side pot 1060. | Rake 0
Board Four of HeartsTwo of SpadesQueen of SpadesAce of SpadesThree of Spades
Seat 1: Phireman05 showed Eight of SpadesEight of Diamonds and won (3960) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: STACKS4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MyBigjimmys showed Queen of ClubsQueen of Hearts and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 4: ENapoleon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Stranger85 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MommaFelix (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: emmittsboys (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Indyskies folded before Flop
Seat 9: mjb2006 showed Ace of DiamondsAce of Clubs and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 10: win1mom folded before Flop (didn't bet)


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Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:19 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
misterjokerboy wrote:
Would appreciate any advice.


Generally, I don't like raises of 10xBB preflop. Makes it too easy for worse hands to get away preflop, and makes it damn near impossible for you to get away from it postflop. You want hands like AQ/AJ/KQ in there with you, as well as the two hands that did give you action. Maybe this strategy works in micro SnG's, but the higher you go, the more money you lose "stealing blinds" with AA.

Get your last 530 in before the flop. That *might* have saved you the pot, since the 88 may have folded to a reraise to 1480. No guarantee of that, of course, but you weren't going to fold postflop anyway, so push it in. Pot's big enough.



Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:37 pm GMT by misterjokerboy
Sean_in_NJ wrote:
misterjokerboy wrote:
Would appreciate any advice.


Generally, I don't like raises of 10xBB preflop. Makes it too easy for worse hands to get away preflop, and makes it damn near impossible for you to get away from it postflop. You want hands like AQ/AJ/KQ in there with you, as well as the two hands that did give you action. Maybe this strategy works in micro SnG's, but the higher you go, the more money you lose "stealing blinds" with AA.

Get your last 530 in before the flop. That *might* have saved you the pot, since the 88 may have folded to a reraise to 1480. No guarantee of that, of course, but you weren't going to fold postflop anyway, so push it in. Pot's big enough.


Agree with you about the size of the bet preflop, and normally I wouldn't bet that big, however I'm fed up of idiots calling with any 2 cards and then outdrawing me. This bet was designed to hopefully get rid of those completely.

Now I was unlucky to run into pocket queens, and was lucky to get the 3rd Ace, but surely the guy with 8's can't call my all in with a queen on the board. He can't possibly think he has the best hand.

Maybe I should have gone all in straight away but I'm not convinced it would have scared him off. The previous hand someone went all in against the same guy and hit runner runner to make the flush with a hand he should never have called in the first place.



Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:54 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
misterjokerboy wrote:
Agree with you about the size of the bet preflop, and normally I wouldn't bet that big, however I'm fed up of idiots calling with any 2 cards and then outdrawing me. This bet was designed to hopefully get rid of those completely.

Now I was unlucky to run into pocket queens, and was lucky to get the 3rd Ace, but surely the guy with 8's can't call my all in with a queen on the board. He can't possibly think he has the best hand.


I honestly don't know what to tell you. This sounds more like a rant than a question; and if that's the case, fine. Everyone has to blow off steam.

Suck it up and fire up another one, and don't start altering your play to get rid of the idiots. The only people left in there with you will be the good players, and I think you'll find that to be -EV.



Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:14 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
He's probably not going to fold to your 530 bet post flop on matter what the board is, theres too many chips in the pot at this point. Your best bet would be to go allin after the raise and hope that will scare him out. If not, theres really nothing you can do, you'll get unlucky every once and awhile, but generally you'll come out on top.


Posted Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:09 pm GMT by misterjokerboy
Sean_in_NJ wrote:


I honestly don't know what to tell you. This sounds more like a rant than a question; and if that's the case, fine. Everyone has to blow off steam.

Suck it up and fire up another one, and don't start altering your play to get rid of the idiots. The only people left in there with you will be the good players, and I think you'll find that to be -EV.


To be honest, it was a rant more than anything. I've had a few SnG's in a row where I've had really bad luck and was just frustrated. It seems to have worked though, I won my next SnG. Twice had trips and had people go all in against me which helped Laughing

I think also reading the articles about position helped me a lot as well.

Thanks for the responses guys.






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