Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:30 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Ok this is one of the rare times I bluffed. Tell me is it a good bluff or could I really have been ahead?
Real Money Ring Game
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Unknown Origin 8161419-66415 Holdem No Limit $0.10/$0.20
Jun 26 23:53:30 : Hand Start.
Jun 26 23:53:30 : Seat 3 : hollington has $10
Jun 26 23:53:30 : Seat 4 : abigfan has $3.96
Jun 26 23:53:30 : Seat 5 : Gypsy469 has $18.21
Jun 26 23:53:30 : Seat 6 : shortbus7 has $6.40
Jun 26 23:53:30 : abigfan is the dealer.
Jun 26 23:53:32 : Gypsy469 posted small blind.
Jun 26 23:53:33 : shortbus7 posted big blind.
Jun 26 23:53:36 : hollington posted big blind.
Jun 26 23:53:36 : Game 66415 started with 4 players.
Jun 26 23:53:36 : Dealing Hole Cards.
Jun 26 23:53:36 : Seat 4 : abigfan has Jc Jh
Jun 26 23:53:45 : hollington checked.
Jun 26 23:53:50 : abigfan called $0.20 and raised $0.60
Jun 26 23:53:55 : Gypsy469 called $0.70
Jun 26 23:53:56 : shortbus7 folded.
Jun 26 23:53:57 : hollington called $0.60
Jun 26 23:53:57 : Dealing flop.
Jun 26 23:53:57 : Board cards   
Jun 26 23:54:01 : Gypsy469 checked.
Jun 26 23:54:05 : hollington checked.
Jun 26 23:54:14 : abigfan bet $0.80
Jun 26 23:54:21 : Gypsy469 called $0.80
Jun 26 23:54:23 : hollington called $0.80
Jun 26 23:54:23 : Dealing turn.
Jun 26 23:54:23 : Board cards 
Jun 26 23:54:27 : Gypsy469 checked.
Jun 26 23:54:28 : hollington checked.
Jun 26 23:54:39 : abigfan bet $2
Jun 26 23:54:41 : Gypsy469 folded.
Jun 26 23:54:43 : hollington folded.
Jun 26 23:54:44 : abigfan wins $4.75 as the last player standing
Jun 26 23:54:46 : Hand is over.
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Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:31 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Or was this one better?
Real Money Ring Game
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Unknown Origin 8161419-66424 Holdem No Limit $0.10/$0.20
Jun 27 00:01:04 : Hand Start.
Jun 27 00:01:04 : Seat 1 : bigyelladog has $3.10
Jun 27 00:01:04 : Seat 2 : duffer45 has $4.84
Jun 27 00:01:04 : Seat 3 : hollington has $12.62
Jun 27 00:01:04 : Seat 4 : abigfan has $6.14
Jun 27 00:01:04 : Seat 5 : Gypsy469 has $15.31
Jun 27 00:01:04 : Seat 6 : winpoker101 has $4.60
Jun 27 00:01:04 : hollington is the dealer.
Jun 27 00:01:04 : abigfan posted small blind.
Jun 27 00:01:06 : Gypsy469 posted big blind.
Jun 27 00:01:07 : Game 66424 started with 6 players.
Jun 27 00:01:07 : Dealing Hole Cards.
Jun 27 00:01:07 : Seat 4 : abigfan has 5h 4c
Jun 27 00:01:10 : winpoker101 called $0.20
Jun 27 00:01:11 : bigyelladog folded.
Jun 27 00:01:11 : duffer45 called $0.20
Jun 27 00:01:12 : hollington folded.
Jun 27 00:01:16 : abigfan called $0.10
Jun 27 00:01:18 : Gypsy469 checked.
Jun 27 00:01:18 : Dealing flop.
Jun 27 00:01:18 : Board cards   
Jun 27 00:01:21 : abigfan checked.
Jun 27 00:01:26 : Gypsy469 checked.
Jun 27 00:01:28 : winpoker101 checked.
Jun 27 00:01:34 : duffer45 bet $0.40
Jun 27 00:01:48 : abigfan called $0.40
Jun 27 00:01:50 : Gypsy469 folded.
Jun 27 00:01:52 : winpoker101 called $0.40
Jun 27 00:01:53 : Dealing turn.
Jun 27 00:01:53 : Board cards 
Jun 27 00:02:07 : abigfan bet $0.60
Jun 27 00:02:11 : winpoker101 called $0.60
Jun 27 00:02:16 : duffer45 called $0.60
Jun 27 00:02:17 : Dealing river.
Jun 27 00:02:17 : Board cards 
Jun 27 00:02:27 : abigfan bet $1
Jun 27 00:02:33 : winpoker101 folded.
Jun 27 00:02:33 : duffer45 folded.
Jun 27 00:02:34 : abigfan wins $3.61 as the last player standing
Jun 27 00:02:37 : Hand is over.
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:37 pm GMT by zinn0
I'm not even looking at the hands. Wanna know why?
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:45 pm GMT by Johny
Hand 1: Your opponents didn't show much strenght during the hand. The
ace is a good scare card to use along with having position on them.
Hand 2: When buying in short you can't throw away chips on draws with incorrect pot odds. If your going to play a draw, play it aggressively.
You're only getting 3-1 and an 8 gives you the sucker end of a straight. I don't think you have much implied odds.
I wouldn't consider your river bet as a bluff because a better hand than yours isn't folding.
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:52 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Johny wrote: | Hand 1: Your opponents didn't show much strenght during the hand. The
ace is a good scare card to use along with having position on them.
Hand 2: When buying in short you can't throw away chips on draws with incorrect pot odds. If your going to play a draw, play it aggressively.
You're only getting 3-1 and an 8 gives you the sucker end of a straight. I don't think you have much implied odds.
I wouldn't consider your river bet as a bluff because a better hand than yours isn't folding. |
Hand 1) I figured wasn't really much of a bluff.
Hand 2) Oh now your telling me that bet didn't give them great impression I had a great hand when I couldn't even beat a pair?
| Quote: | | I'm not even looking at the hands. Wanna know why? |
I sure do...  ...is it the short stack buyin?
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:57 pm GMT by Johny
"Hand 2) Oh now your telling me that bet didn't give them great impression I had a great hand when I couldn't even beat a pair?"
Isn't 34567 a straight?
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:05 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Johny wrote: | "Hand 2) Oh now your telling me that bet didn't give them great impression I had a great hand when I couldn't even beat a pair?"
Isn't 34567 a straight?
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 ...damn it...I lost money on that hand then. I should have been pushing with it the whole time.
Hell I can't even bluff good... 
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:12 pm GMT by zinn0
yep.
Posted Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:48 pm GMT by Jauron
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Johny wrote: | "Hand 2) Oh now your telling me that bet didn't give them great impression I had a great hand when I couldn't even beat a pair?"
Isn't 34567 a straight?
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...damn it...I lost money on that hand then. I should have been pushing with it the whole time.
Hell I can't even bluff good... |
Well at least since you didnt' know what you had, you also didn't realize you finally bet when the 3rd diamond came and the board paired.
Posted Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:56 am GMT by suitedaces84
The point of bluffing is to make someone fold a better hand. Having a hand that is okay or may be best makes this difficult because there are few better hands that will fold. If you held something like 8-hi making a better hand fold would be easier because virtually any hand that folded would be better. You'd be much better off bluffing when your hand has no chance of being best and checking when your hand could be best but isn't strong enough to bet for value.
In both of your examples I highly doubt that anyone folded a better hand. So I'd rate them both as terrible bluffs.
Posted Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:26 am GMT by UrAteUp
Hey guys, thanks to everyone who responded. I have to agree both times here it does look as though I had the best hand and neither of these was a bluff of any kind. Well better luck next time for me I guess...
Posted Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:23 pm GMT by Phil14312
URAteup I would reply to your hand history's far more frequently if you changed the format of the hand history.
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:39 am GMT by UrAteUp
How so Phil? Feedback on how to post them better would be appreciated by all. This is from Doyles room. I am working on a program that will go in and strip away all the time bs and everything. If I can get some feedback on what would work best then I can create the program around that feedback.
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:01 am GMT by Johny
www.pokerhand.org
This is much better.
Posted Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:07 am GMT by zinn0
Yea, pokerhand cleans them up pretty good.
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